My feelings on this article are neutral. I stopped listening to Peterson shortly after he came back from his time off (if you don't know, you can research why). While I agreed with some of things that he said in the past, I got the sense that he was loosing it (mentally). To me, when he came back from his time off, he sounded not all together upstairs. Maybe some more help, yes more, might be helpful to his well being. I'm not a fan of what universities are promoting and teaching. I just don't agree with Peterson on several issues and think that he needs help. Heck, we all do from time to time.
That's not the point of my original post. Which was if the Reps had avowed NAZI in the US congress the press and the Dems would be all over it like flies on cow flop and they should be.
How come the press and both parties are after the socialist in the Dem congress? The communists killed far more people that Hitler did in his camps. They are monsters.
I absolutely despise Peterson’s opinions and believe he engages in sloppy science. If they were going after him on bad practices in research I’d be fine with that. But bad OPINIONS ??? That’s ridiculous.
Vaccine Injured Spiritual Anarchist living in the wilds of Alaska here… What if it all fell apart? And we were forced to reorganize politically/socially? Seems readily apparent that we’ve reached a crisis of scale and that our institutions have been irredeemably captured by corporate interests. I don’t see a way forward through this ‘two-party-my-ass’ masquerade. I think it’s plain to see corporate tyranny has led us into this collective dark night of the soul. The culture wars are a cynical propagandist agenda that have been used - quite successfully I might add - to polarize us all. Divide and conquer. At least that’s how reality appears online. Funny how that picture changes when we set aside our digital personas. And change our own frequencies. Peterson’s readings of Jung and Dostoevsky here apply. Finding the light in the darkness.
You're being unkind to Dr. Peterson over the pronouns issue. Dr. Peterson will use whatever pronouns you request him to use. However Dr. Peterson balks at the compelled speech being ordered by the government.
When a government enforces 'compelled speech' we're back to the days of Inquisition.
I used to have a lot of respect for JBP when I only listened to his podcasts and youtube lectures. Even attended a talk he gave in Melbourne a few years ago. But once I joined twitter and read his tweets I lost a lot of respect for him as they were often of the worse type of critical and derogatory category of tweets, with personal attacks on many people with whom he failed to find any common ground. AS a health professional myself i do think we should probably hold ourselves to a higher standard than private individuals.
"By referring Peterson to a therapist for daring to speak his mind, the College of Psychologists of Ontario has pathologized dissent. It has made political disagreement into an illness."
Every authoritarian does this every time. Every cult leader, politician, and cop (and Wife). If you don't agree with me you must be sick...and we can help you.
Peterson's position on gender pronouns wasn't that he refused to use them, it was he refused to allow the government to mandate how he uses them. There is a very important difference in this distinction. He has repeatedly said he would use the pronouns chosen by an individual in certain circumstances (where it was a reflection of a real 'self' issue) but he would not countenance the government forcing his language. THAT is a breach of our right to free speech.
Although I am not a fan of Peterson, this is more evidence for the profound decay in the supposed intellectual Guardians of liberal society, i.e., colleges and universities. This decay is in my opinion the greatest danger today facing Western Society. University ideas filter throughout the culture via graduates in every discipline. Academic ideas rationalized as "justice", such as neo-racist CRT or anti-free speech, drive increasing division and strife. Anti-free-market political philosophies drive declining economic efficiency and increasing political control or distortion of peaceful economic choice, action, and cooperation.
However, from my perspective, illiberal leftist intellectual ideas began chipping away at classical liberal ideas long ago in ways most of us would judge more benign. In my opinion, they were not benign, because they established a precedent of false standards for social morality and justice that now are taken for granted and rarely discussed or debated. For example, how many of us would question long held, government policies, such as the licensing of certain professionals or the creation of agencies such as the FDA or Social Security that "protect us"? From my view, a truly liberal ideology would respect all peaceful, mutually acceptable voluntary choices, including the freedom to make a private judgment as to a professional's qualifications, such as a doctor, or the risk/benefit of any proposed assistance from the profession, or to voluntarily participate in a retirement program. True liberal laws would outlaw and punish acts such as fraud, meaning individuals who knowingly misrepresent themselves or falsify data. The latter is means for gaining a value from another person without their peaceful voluntary consent, which underlies all true crime in my opinion. Working as professional without the permission of government is not a crime under this standard.
Canada is in double trouble, well ahead of the curve for encouraging "governing bodies" to dictate what is and is NOT allowed. Currently we have a government in power, gleefully using this power to further control Canadians with it's illiberal toxic social justice narcissism.
Bill C4 - amends the Criminal Code to prohibit certain activities that relate to “conversion therapy”.
Conversion Therapy is a practice, treatment or service designed to change a person’s gender identity to cisgender.
Counselling a 10 year-old girl, that she may not be the boy she so convincingly claims...appears no longer to be an option.
(This is a guy who burst onto the scene in 2016 after refusing to use gender-neutral pronouns.) If people aren’t aware - which I’m sure they are because they’re on substack but this is either a sarcastic or wildly incorrect statement by the author. Peterson strongly rejected that the Canadian government pass a law making it illegal to ‘not use pronouns’.
While anathema to the longstanding mission of higher education, penalizing or even firing professors for these thoughtcrimes pales in comparison to the gravity of losing one's professional license. He should take this all the way to the Canadian Supreme Court.
My feelings on this article are neutral. I stopped listening to Peterson shortly after he came back from his time off (if you don't know, you can research why). While I agreed with some of things that he said in the past, I got the sense that he was loosing it (mentally). To me, when he came back from his time off, he sounded not all together upstairs. Maybe some more help, yes more, might be helpful to his well being. I'm not a fan of what universities are promoting and teaching. I just don't agree with Peterson on several issues and think that he needs help. Heck, we all do from time to time.
That's not the point of my original post. Which was if the Reps had avowed NAZI in the US congress the press and the Dems would be all over it like flies on cow flop and they should be.
How come the press and both parties are after the socialist in the Dem congress? The communists killed far more people that Hitler did in his camps. They are monsters.
I absolutely despise Peterson’s opinions and believe he engages in sloppy science. If they were going after him on bad practices in research I’d be fine with that. But bad OPINIONS ??? That’s ridiculous.
Vaccine Injured Spiritual Anarchist living in the wilds of Alaska here… What if it all fell apart? And we were forced to reorganize politically/socially? Seems readily apparent that we’ve reached a crisis of scale and that our institutions have been irredeemably captured by corporate interests. I don’t see a way forward through this ‘two-party-my-ass’ masquerade. I think it’s plain to see corporate tyranny has led us into this collective dark night of the soul. The culture wars are a cynical propagandist agenda that have been used - quite successfully I might add - to polarize us all. Divide and conquer. At least that’s how reality appears online. Funny how that picture changes when we set aside our digital personas. And change our own frequencies. Peterson’s readings of Jung and Dostoevsky here apply. Finding the light in the darkness.
You're being unkind to Dr. Peterson over the pronouns issue. Dr. Peterson will use whatever pronouns you request him to use. However Dr. Peterson balks at the compelled speech being ordered by the government.
When a government enforces 'compelled speech' we're back to the days of Inquisition.
I used to have a lot of respect for JBP when I only listened to his podcasts and youtube lectures. Even attended a talk he gave in Melbourne a few years ago. But once I joined twitter and read his tweets I lost a lot of respect for him as they were often of the worse type of critical and derogatory category of tweets, with personal attacks on many people with whom he failed to find any common ground. AS a health professional myself i do think we should probably hold ourselves to a higher standard than private individuals.
This is the money quote from this excellent work
"By referring Peterson to a therapist for daring to speak his mind, the College of Psychologists of Ontario has pathologized dissent. It has made political disagreement into an illness."
Every authoritarian does this every time. Every cult leader, politician, and cop (and Wife). If you don't agree with me you must be sick...and we can help you.
All due credit to Jordan Peterson for weathering the storms he is weathering. Hopefully others will feel able to stand up as well.
Peterson's position on gender pronouns wasn't that he refused to use them, it was he refused to allow the government to mandate how he uses them. There is a very important difference in this distinction. He has repeatedly said he would use the pronouns chosen by an individual in certain circumstances (where it was a reflection of a real 'self' issue) but he would not countenance the government forcing his language. THAT is a breach of our right to free speech.
To be fair, wasn't he already in therapy for drugs?
Although I am not a fan of Peterson, this is more evidence for the profound decay in the supposed intellectual Guardians of liberal society, i.e., colleges and universities. This decay is in my opinion the greatest danger today facing Western Society. University ideas filter throughout the culture via graduates in every discipline. Academic ideas rationalized as "justice", such as neo-racist CRT or anti-free speech, drive increasing division and strife. Anti-free-market political philosophies drive declining economic efficiency and increasing political control or distortion of peaceful economic choice, action, and cooperation.
However, from my perspective, illiberal leftist intellectual ideas began chipping away at classical liberal ideas long ago in ways most of us would judge more benign. In my opinion, they were not benign, because they established a precedent of false standards for social morality and justice that now are taken for granted and rarely discussed or debated. For example, how many of us would question long held, government policies, such as the licensing of certain professionals or the creation of agencies such as the FDA or Social Security that "protect us"? From my view, a truly liberal ideology would respect all peaceful, mutually acceptable voluntary choices, including the freedom to make a private judgment as to a professional's qualifications, such as a doctor, or the risk/benefit of any proposed assistance from the profession, or to voluntarily participate in a retirement program. True liberal laws would outlaw and punish acts such as fraud, meaning individuals who knowingly misrepresent themselves or falsify data. The latter is means for gaining a value from another person without their peaceful voluntary consent, which underlies all true crime in my opinion. Working as professional without the permission of government is not a crime under this standard.
Canada is in double trouble, well ahead of the curve for encouraging "governing bodies" to dictate what is and is NOT allowed. Currently we have a government in power, gleefully using this power to further control Canadians with it's illiberal toxic social justice narcissism.
Bill C4 - amends the Criminal Code to prohibit certain activities that relate to “conversion therapy”.
Conversion Therapy is a practice, treatment or service designed to change a person’s gender identity to cisgender.
Counselling a 10 year-old girl, that she may not be the boy she so convincingly claims...appears no longer to be an option.
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
(This is a guy who burst onto the scene in 2016 after refusing to use gender-neutral pronouns.) If people aren’t aware - which I’m sure they are because they’re on substack but this is either a sarcastic or wildly incorrect statement by the author. Peterson strongly rejected that the Canadian government pass a law making it illegal to ‘not use pronouns’.
While anathema to the longstanding mission of higher education, penalizing or even firing professors for these thoughtcrimes pales in comparison to the gravity of losing one's professional license. He should take this all the way to the Canadian Supreme Court.
He still did better than locked down states and if you review recent studies masks mske no difference
The woke ideology of totalitarianism