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Thought experiment: Imagine our world if Mohammad had never been born.

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The Middle East would be immensely better off had Islam disappeared.

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For years my dream bumper sticker was тАШImagine A World Without IslamтАЩ.

IтАЩm now convinced that the mindset of the whole area is intractably backward, and an innate existential threat to western civilization.

They are in possession of modern communication, transportation, and weaponryтАжand misuse them in every way. We allow this because we donтАЩt want to hurt anyoneтАЩs feelings or violate their rights.

The sad thing is that the endgame of what they want is extremely bleak.

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Great point, George. And it would be one thing if Islam stayed concentrated in its own backwards backyard. But with the large wave of muslim migration to Europe coupled with Europeans' naivete, the risks grow substantially for the welfare of western civilization.

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ItтАЩs an interesting experiment. The rise of the first Islamic caliphate is fascinating. If nothing else they deserve some credit for taking on the two global super powers of the age and beating them both.

Would the world be better off if the Roman Empire had never existed? Who can say.

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By the 600s Rome and Persia were in decay. WasnтАЩt that hard.

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Sort of like Europe and the US todayтАж.

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In the 400тАЩs to 600тАЩs a.d. Zoroastrianism was predominant from Persia to India. Their credo was unacceptable to Islam: тАЬGood Thoughts...Good Words...Good Deeds.тАЭ The Muslims came along from the West and told people to convert or die. There are now perhaps a bit over 100,000 Zoroastrians worldwide, most in India.

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Dear NCMaureen, Some other idiot would be in his place. You can't permanently eradicate opposition. You can attempt to reason with your opposer. I find violence of action to be reasonable for a minute. I find common ground to reasonable for a minute. They're here to stay. So are we. Arm yourselves.

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If you're suggesting that some other idiot would take Mohammed's place if he hadn't existed, doesn't that mean the Arabs would fall for anyone? How about a tall blonde in a short skirt? How about a Jew? You see, maybe there is something peculiar to what sand and heat and shimmering mirages do to a race.

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Arabs aren't a race. In fact Arabs and Mizrahi/Sephardic are the same people.

People tend to fall for and follow wild eyed messianic types irrespective of race.

Branch Davidian anyone? Siddartha that.

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You're right. I meant a people.

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What I'm saying is what is evident. We are all capable of great inhumanity. In the aftermath of the miscounted second world war the german population was subjected to great atrocities at the hands of the central and Eastern European people. While not in millions as the Third Reich and the Soviets inflicted but if I recall in the tens of thousands.

Humans are hard wired us v them. The possible exception to that tendency is the Jew and Indo-Aryan then only slightly less than other groups.

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