You appear to be unable to read a comment and respond to what's been written. I never said a thing about restricting voting to those living in large urban areas. The electoral college disadvantages voters in Texas and Florida, red states, as much as it does large blue states like California. Why should voters in Wyoming or Vermont hav…
You appear to be unable to read a comment and respond to what's been written. I never said a thing about restricting voting to those living in large urban areas. The electoral college disadvantages voters in Texas and Florida, red states, as much as it does large blue states like California. Why should voters in Wyoming or Vermont have more say in determining the winner of a Presidential election than do voters in larger states? One person, one vote. That's democracy.
Fact: Republicans have controlled the White House for 12 of the past 20 years, only four of those years have resulted from a Republican having gotten more votes than his Democratic opponent, that being George W. Bush in 2008 when he was riding on the support he garnered after 9/11. He then led us into one of the largest foreign policy disasters in our history by invading Iraq.
And some Republicans have seen the light. They realize that Trump's efforts to empower states to overrule the will of the voters and undermine the Electoral College would hurt their best chance of winning back the White House. A group of Republican Congressional Representatives issued this statement opposing Trump's efforts to block certification of Biden's victory:
“From a purely partisan perspective, Republican presidential candidates have won the national popular vote only once in the last 32 years. They have therefore depended on the electoral college for nearly all presidential victories in the last generation. If we perpetuate the notion that Congress may disregard certified electoral votes — based solely on its own assessment that one or more states mishandled the presidential election — we will be delegitimizing the very system that led Donald Trump to victory in 2016, and that could provide the only path to victory in 2024.”
You're simply factually wrong about frustration with the Electoral College. Democrats have been calling for its abolition for years. It's well known that the Framer's settled on the Electoral College largely for one shameful reason: slavery. The slave states would be disadvantaged in an election by popular vote -- i.e. a democratic election -- because they denied the vote to huge portions of their populations -- the enslaved. So the Framers came up with the Electoral College system. The slave states were allowed to count the enslaved as 3/5ths of a person even though they could not vote. The Electoral College should have been put to rest with the end of slavery and the extension of the right to vote to the formerly enslaved.
These are facts, rendered without silly, mocking rhetoric or insults. You appear unable and/or unwilling to respond to factual citations and comments I've made. I won't bother responding again; you're not a serious person.
Regarding the National Center attack on the Brennan Center's study "Citizens without Proof." The National Center draws on a critique from the Heritage Center that has been refuted point by point by the Brennan Center. What's more, "Citizens without Proof" has been substantiated by a number of other reliable studies:
The 2001 Carter-Ford Commission on Election Reform found that between 6 and 11 percent of voting-age citizens lack driver’s licenses or alternate state-issued photo IDs.[2]
A 2007 Indiana survey found that roughly 13 percent of registered Indiana voters lack an Indiana driver’s license or an alternate Indiana-issued photo ID. [3]
A 2009 study in Indiana found that of the citizen adult population, 81.4% of all white eligible adults had access to a driver’s license, compared to only 55.2% of black eligible adults. It also found that strict photo ID requirements have the greatest impact on the elderly, racial and ethnic minorities, immigrants, those with less educational attainment and lower incomes. [4]
A 2007 report based on exit polls from the 2006 elections in California, New Mexico, and Washington State found that 12% of actual voters did not have a valid driver’s license.[5]
A prominent national survey conducted after the November 2008 election found that 95% of respondents claimed to have a driver’s license, but that 16% of those respondents lacked a license that was both current and valid.[6]
The National Center for Policy research has a long history of being funded by and supportive of Big Tobacco and the Fossil Fuel Industries:
"Internal Philip Morris documents described the NCPPR as one of the tobacco company’s “national allies”,3 whose focus is on “alerting the public to the dangers of big government in environmental, health care and other issues”.4
What's more, Lonesome, I have no problem with photo ID requirements. I have long favored a National photo ID that would resolve both issues relating to voter certification and
employment verification. It's been conservatives who have opposed such identification from the time that Barbara Jordan proposed such a system back in the 1970.
The attack on democracy from the right involves far more than photo ID laws. Consider this:
" Republican lawmakers this year passed an unprecedented bevy of bills targeting the authority of state and local election officials, a power grab that might allow partisan legislators to overturn future election results by claiming there was fraud.
"GOP legislators in at least 14 states have enacted 23 new laws that empower state officials to take control of county election boards, strip secretaries of state of their executive authority, or make local election officials criminally or financially liable for even technical errors, according to Protect Democracy, a left-leaning Washington, D.C.-based voting rights nonprofit.
That article was published more than a year ago. Since then other states have joined the assault on democratic elections and "we the people." In my original comment that you challenged, I claimed that some 20 states have passed such laws -- laws that are far more restrictive than photo ID. I await any evidence that my statement was false or inaccurate. Have a nice day.
My daughter was born in 2001.....which means she is 21 now! If you're going to cite something from 2001, we are going to ignore you. If you want our attention, tell me now how many states won't provide an ID to everyone regardless of ability to pay.
I read your Pew piece and I see the Brennan Center is quoted as are other very left leaning entities. Tell me what's wrong with this: "A similar proposal in Texas would make it a felony for county election officials to mail out unsolicited absentee ballot applications. In May, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, signed into law a measure that would fine county supervisors up to $25,000 for leaving ballot drop boxes unattended.
In Arkansas, Republican lawmakers passed a law that allows the state legislature to investigate county election offices for suspected election fraud. This could lead to the decertification of county election officials, a takeover of county election offices by the State Board of Elections and a fine of up to $1,000 against county officials."
You don't make any sound arguments. You simply don't like tightening of elections. As I said, I used to live in IL where only because of dead people voting in Chicago, did John F. Kennedy become the President of the United States.
It's rather hilarious for Richard to continually suggest that more densely populated areas, which tend to lean blue should have more say than less densely populated areas like, say Montana, that might lean more red. I used to live in the Hell Hole, also known as Illinois, where those downstate literally have no voice/no vote because Chicago and the metropolitan area is blue. If you looked at a map after an election there was small geographic area that's blue, although densely populated and the remainder is red. My vote never counted for a thing. And now IL has one of the most progressive and wealthiest governors in it's history (the Pritzker family is behind WPATH and all of the transgender surgery/medical money), there will be no bail laws beginning Jan. 1, Kim Foxx is the corrupt DA in Chicago and Lori Lightfoot, the incompetent mayor of Chicago. Chicago is dangerous and disgusting and it was one an absolutely beautiful city on the lake. What a shame.
If we didn't have the electoral college, every state would slowly start looking like California, Illinois, and NY. Richard needs to remove the blue lenses and see what's really happening in this country.
You appear to be unable to read a comment and respond to what's been written. I never said a thing about restricting voting to those living in large urban areas. The electoral college disadvantages voters in Texas and Florida, red states, as much as it does large blue states like California. Why should voters in Wyoming or Vermont have more say in determining the winner of a Presidential election than do voters in larger states? One person, one vote. That's democracy.
Fact: Republicans have controlled the White House for 12 of the past 20 years, only four of those years have resulted from a Republican having gotten more votes than his Democratic opponent, that being George W. Bush in 2008 when he was riding on the support he garnered after 9/11. He then led us into one of the largest foreign policy disasters in our history by invading Iraq.
And some Republicans have seen the light. They realize that Trump's efforts to empower states to overrule the will of the voters and undermine the Electoral College would hurt their best chance of winning back the White House. A group of Republican Congressional Representatives issued this statement opposing Trump's efforts to block certification of Biden's victory:
“From a purely partisan perspective, Republican presidential candidates have won the national popular vote only once in the last 32 years. They have therefore depended on the electoral college for nearly all presidential victories in the last generation. If we perpetuate the notion that Congress may disregard certified electoral votes — based solely on its own assessment that one or more states mishandled the presidential election — we will be delegitimizing the very system that led Donald Trump to victory in 2016, and that could provide the only path to victory in 2024.”
You're simply factually wrong about frustration with the Electoral College. Democrats have been calling for its abolition for years. It's well known that the Framer's settled on the Electoral College largely for one shameful reason: slavery. The slave states would be disadvantaged in an election by popular vote -- i.e. a democratic election -- because they denied the vote to huge portions of their populations -- the enslaved. So the Framers came up with the Electoral College system. The slave states were allowed to count the enslaved as 3/5ths of a person even though they could not vote. The Electoral College should have been put to rest with the end of slavery and the extension of the right to vote to the formerly enslaved.
These are facts, rendered without silly, mocking rhetoric or insults. You appear unable and/or unwilling to respond to factual citations and comments I've made. I won't bother responding again; you're not a serious person.
LOLOLOL
(Just driving home the point that I'm not a serious person.)
The Brennan is a left wing propaganda site. Of course Richard is going to quote it. He is a on the left.
https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2012/07/26/report-exposes-brennan-center-for-justices-biased-reporting-and-liberal-funding/
Regarding the National Center attack on the Brennan Center's study "Citizens without Proof." The National Center draws on a critique from the Heritage Center that has been refuted point by point by the Brennan Center. What's more, "Citizens without Proof" has been substantiated by a number of other reliable studies:
The 2001 Carter-Ford Commission on Election Reform found that between 6 and 11 percent of voting-age citizens lack driver’s licenses or alternate state-issued photo IDs.[2]
A 2007 Indiana survey found that roughly 13 percent of registered Indiana voters lack an Indiana driver’s license or an alternate Indiana-issued photo ID. [3]
A 2009 study in Indiana found that of the citizen adult population, 81.4% of all white eligible adults had access to a driver’s license, compared to only 55.2% of black eligible adults. It also found that strict photo ID requirements have the greatest impact on the elderly, racial and ethnic minorities, immigrants, those with less educational attainment and lower incomes. [4]
A 2007 report based on exit polls from the 2006 elections in California, New Mexico, and Washington State found that 12% of actual voters did not have a valid driver’s license.[5]
A prominent national survey conducted after the November 2008 election found that 95% of respondents claimed to have a driver’s license, but that 16% of those respondents lacked a license that was both current and valid.[6]
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/citizens-without-proof-stands-strong
The National Center for Policy research has a long history of being funded by and supportive of Big Tobacco and the Fossil Fuel Industries:
"Internal Philip Morris documents described the NCPPR as one of the tobacco company’s “national allies”,3 whose focus is on “alerting the public to the dangers of big government in environmental, health care and other issues”.4
What's more, Lonesome, I have no problem with photo ID requirements. I have long favored a National photo ID that would resolve both issues relating to voter certification and
employment verification. It's been conservatives who have opposed such identification from the time that Barbara Jordan proposed such a system back in the 1970.
The attack on democracy from the right involves far more than photo ID laws. Consider this:
" Republican lawmakers this year passed an unprecedented bevy of bills targeting the authority of state and local election officials, a power grab that might allow partisan legislators to overturn future election results by claiming there was fraud.
"GOP legislators in at least 14 states have enacted 23 new laws that empower state officials to take control of county election boards, strip secretaries of state of their executive authority, or make local election officials criminally or financially liable for even technical errors, according to Protect Democracy, a left-leaning Washington, D.C.-based voting rights nonprofit.
https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2021/07/28/republican-legislators-curb-authority-of-county-state-election-officials
That article was published more than a year ago. Since then other states have joined the assault on democratic elections and "we the people." In my original comment that you challenged, I claimed that some 20 states have passed such laws -- laws that are far more restrictive than photo ID. I await any evidence that my statement was false or inaccurate. Have a nice day.
My daughter was born in 2001.....which means she is 21 now! If you're going to cite something from 2001, we are going to ignore you. If you want our attention, tell me now how many states won't provide an ID to everyone regardless of ability to pay.
I read your Pew piece and I see the Brennan Center is quoted as are other very left leaning entities. Tell me what's wrong with this: "A similar proposal in Texas would make it a felony for county election officials to mail out unsolicited absentee ballot applications. In May, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, signed into law a measure that would fine county supervisors up to $25,000 for leaving ballot drop boxes unattended.
In Arkansas, Republican lawmakers passed a law that allows the state legislature to investigate county election offices for suspected election fraud. This could lead to the decertification of county election officials, a takeover of county election offices by the State Board of Elections and a fine of up to $1,000 against county officials."
You don't make any sound arguments. You simply don't like tightening of elections. As I said, I used to live in IL where only because of dead people voting in Chicago, did John F. Kennedy become the President of the United States.
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/federal-judge-upholds-georgia-election-integrity-practices-deals-blow?utm_source=breaking&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter
It's rather hilarious for Richard to continually suggest that more densely populated areas, which tend to lean blue should have more say than less densely populated areas like, say Montana, that might lean more red. I used to live in the Hell Hole, also known as Illinois, where those downstate literally have no voice/no vote because Chicago and the metropolitan area is blue. If you looked at a map after an election there was small geographic area that's blue, although densely populated and the remainder is red. My vote never counted for a thing. And now IL has one of the most progressive and wealthiest governors in it's history (the Pritzker family is behind WPATH and all of the transgender surgery/medical money), there will be no bail laws beginning Jan. 1, Kim Foxx is the corrupt DA in Chicago and Lori Lightfoot, the incompetent mayor of Chicago. Chicago is dangerous and disgusting and it was one an absolutely beautiful city on the lake. What a shame.
If we didn't have the electoral college, every state would slowly start looking like California, Illinois, and NY. Richard needs to remove the blue lenses and see what's really happening in this country.