Absolutely incredible podcast. I didn't agree either Trey on a couple of points but enjoyed his point of view. He is correct . Ya'll journalist job is to report the facts. When he strayed into an "unwinnable" solution he went into opinion. Bari, in her point on Japan and Germany and total defeat then reconstruction ,was spot on. David Jisha, Beaumont Texas.
This was an incredibly well-done episode. So few people have been on the ground and truly see both sides of such a difficult situation. Like other commenters, it is depressing to imagine no solution to the fighting the way Yingst appears to believe.
I'm just attributing that to being too close to such a perceived intractable solution. Bari did push back with good examples (Japanese and Germans in WWII, the fact that Nazis as an impactful group are no more, etc).
As a center-right type, I also appreciated the opportunity for center-left folks to hear something positive come out of Fox News. While every news organization has its troublemakers, Fox has a solid news organization that is way too often ignored by the left.
There are some true journalists left out there, even ones that have some bias. There's no problem with bias, as long as it can be backed up with real facts.
As always, I commend The Free Press for bringing on different viewpoints and perspectives as we try to sort through the fog of information. I think there is a lot of nuance in how Trey Yingst reports the "human" side of things, but as I was listening to the episode, I couldn't help but think about a recent Honestly episode with Douglas Murray. In the "Time of War" episode, Murray makes a clear distinction between good and evil. He rightly states that those who seek the death and destruction of others is evil— there isn't nuance when you are in a death cult. Somehow, during the conversation with Yingst, it felt like the tone of the show turned to whataboutism. Yes, there are innocent people who are caught up in war who do not believe in the cause and are stuck as collateral damage within roaring factions. And for those individuals we can feel empathy. But for Palestinians within Gaza, the number of Hamas supporters exceeds the majority. Even the individuals who are not technically members of Hamas, what are they doing to change the reality? Are they cheering in the streets as captured Israeli's are paraded around after being kidnapped, or are they sitting by passively, knowing there is pure evil and barbarism outside their front door and not doing anything about it? It's easy to think about evil historically, and draw a clear distinction between the Nazi's who perpetrated the Holocaust, built the death camps, and murdered millions of people. It's more difficult to acknowledge that right outside of those death camps were communities and villages of people— who could see and smell exactly what was happening, and who sat passively by. I pray that no one should ever have to be tested of whether they would stand up for right and wrong, but if the time comes to be that voice, I hope that people find courage to do the right thing. I'd rather hear the voices from Trey of the Palestinians who are quietly defending good from evil, who stand for morality. I understand that within a totalitarian environment as Gaza there aren't many ways to protest without becoming a target for Hamas, but until those brave voices collectively say that enough is enough, the cycle of death cults will continue. For a good example of what it looks like to be brave in the face of evil, look at Iranians who are against the regime. There is tremendous risk in doing so, but what is the alternative? To live secluded in an environment where brutality and barbarism are happening outside your front door and being ok with that?
I listened to it and I loved the conversation. I didn’t agree with him when he said that there is no way to defeat Hamas, because as an armed force they are no longer the same. But their ideology is something that will stay (no matter under which name it will be). The only way to solve this is by de-radicalisation of the Palestinians from their side, and from the other side of the Israeli leadership there needs to be a change that will shed the radical right because for the moment, they have very little public support and they are going rampant and causing damage that will take years to fix. This and the culture of corruption by BB’s partners.
These are two different things— radicalization of Palestinians needs a course correction to challenge their ideology. But regardless of who is in power in the Israeli government, a de-radicalized entity must be in place before Israel can begin the conversation of negotiating peace. We are at an impasse until we have a willing partner within the Palestinians. And I understand your frustration at factions within the Israeli government, but what difference does the presence of a radical right (or radical left) make in the larger conversation of finding a same minded entity with which to negotiate terms for coexistence? Until there is a partner to work with, it doesn't really matter who is in the Israeli government.
Thank you for this episode! Seeing how long it was, I figured listening to it in segments would make sense. However, the next thing I knew is that it was over. What a powerful interview with Trey telling it as he sees it from the inside and Bari asking the tough questions. You have done your job which is to make us, on all sides, ask questions and want to discuss what will the middle east look like after this war is over.
That was one of the most depressing interviews and in many ways completely contradictory. He sees no hope. (1) Gazans and maybe many more Muslims in the area will always hate Israel and fight to take it back (Temple Mount). (2) There are too many terrorist organizations who will rise up to govern Gaza and West Bank. (3) Still need a day after plan (for what? To label the next group of people trying to kill Israelis). (4) Need a ceasefire because Sinwar will definitely trade his leverage for a marginally larger pool of fighters).
Trey is a brave person and I'm grateful for his reporting. The analysis is hard to follow.
I completely agree. How can you have a "day after plan" with individuals who have the mindset that any presence of Jews within the borders of Israel are unacceptable? That is a non-starter. Maybe the place to begin is to start ridding the world of the evil Jihadism that has spread like a cancer. Until the underlying mindset and motives change, we will be living in a cycle of generation after generation of Islamism that seeks the death and destruction of anyone who isn't "them". There is no negotiating with this type of perspective. There is only destroying this mindset, and working to replace it with tolerance of the "other".
Absolutely incredible podcast. I didn't agree either Trey on a couple of points but enjoyed his point of view. He is correct . Ya'll journalist job is to report the facts. When he strayed into an "unwinnable" solution he went into opinion. Bari, in her point on Japan and Germany and total defeat then reconstruction ,was spot on. David Jisha, Beaumont Texas.
This was an incredibly well-done episode. So few people have been on the ground and truly see both sides of such a difficult situation. Like other commenters, it is depressing to imagine no solution to the fighting the way Yingst appears to believe.
I'm just attributing that to being too close to such a perceived intractable solution. Bari did push back with good examples (Japanese and Germans in WWII, the fact that Nazis as an impactful group are no more, etc).
As a center-right type, I also appreciated the opportunity for center-left folks to hear something positive come out of Fox News. While every news organization has its troublemakers, Fox has a solid news organization that is way too often ignored by the left.
There are some true journalists left out there, even ones that have some bias. There's no problem with bias, as long as it can be backed up with real facts.
As always, I commend The Free Press for bringing on different viewpoints and perspectives as we try to sort through the fog of information. I think there is a lot of nuance in how Trey Yingst reports the "human" side of things, but as I was listening to the episode, I couldn't help but think about a recent Honestly episode with Douglas Murray. In the "Time of War" episode, Murray makes a clear distinction between good and evil. He rightly states that those who seek the death and destruction of others is evil— there isn't nuance when you are in a death cult. Somehow, during the conversation with Yingst, it felt like the tone of the show turned to whataboutism. Yes, there are innocent people who are caught up in war who do not believe in the cause and are stuck as collateral damage within roaring factions. And for those individuals we can feel empathy. But for Palestinians within Gaza, the number of Hamas supporters exceeds the majority. Even the individuals who are not technically members of Hamas, what are they doing to change the reality? Are they cheering in the streets as captured Israeli's are paraded around after being kidnapped, or are they sitting by passively, knowing there is pure evil and barbarism outside their front door and not doing anything about it? It's easy to think about evil historically, and draw a clear distinction between the Nazi's who perpetrated the Holocaust, built the death camps, and murdered millions of people. It's more difficult to acknowledge that right outside of those death camps were communities and villages of people— who could see and smell exactly what was happening, and who sat passively by. I pray that no one should ever have to be tested of whether they would stand up for right and wrong, but if the time comes to be that voice, I hope that people find courage to do the right thing. I'd rather hear the voices from Trey of the Palestinians who are quietly defending good from evil, who stand for morality. I understand that within a totalitarian environment as Gaza there aren't many ways to protest without becoming a target for Hamas, but until those brave voices collectively say that enough is enough, the cycle of death cults will continue. For a good example of what it looks like to be brave in the face of evil, look at Iranians who are against the regime. There is tremendous risk in doing so, but what is the alternative? To live secluded in an environment where brutality and barbarism are happening outside your front door and being ok with that?
I listened to it and I loved the conversation. I didn’t agree with him when he said that there is no way to defeat Hamas, because as an armed force they are no longer the same. But their ideology is something that will stay (no matter under which name it will be). The only way to solve this is by de-radicalisation of the Palestinians from their side, and from the other side of the Israeli leadership there needs to be a change that will shed the radical right because for the moment, they have very little public support and they are going rampant and causing damage that will take years to fix. This and the culture of corruption by BB’s partners.
These are two different things— radicalization of Palestinians needs a course correction to challenge their ideology. But regardless of who is in power in the Israeli government, a de-radicalized entity must be in place before Israel can begin the conversation of negotiating peace. We are at an impasse until we have a willing partner within the Palestinians. And I understand your frustration at factions within the Israeli government, but what difference does the presence of a radical right (or radical left) make in the larger conversation of finding a same minded entity with which to negotiate terms for coexistence? Until there is a partner to work with, it doesn't really matter who is in the Israeli government.
Thank you for this episode! Seeing how long it was, I figured listening to it in segments would make sense. However, the next thing I knew is that it was over. What a powerful interview with Trey telling it as he sees it from the inside and Bari asking the tough questions. You have done your job which is to make us, on all sides, ask questions and want to discuss what will the middle east look like after this war is over.
That was one of the most depressing interviews and in many ways completely contradictory. He sees no hope. (1) Gazans and maybe many more Muslims in the area will always hate Israel and fight to take it back (Temple Mount). (2) There are too many terrorist organizations who will rise up to govern Gaza and West Bank. (3) Still need a day after plan (for what? To label the next group of people trying to kill Israelis). (4) Need a ceasefire because Sinwar will definitely trade his leverage for a marginally larger pool of fighters).
Trey is a brave person and I'm grateful for his reporting. The analysis is hard to follow.
I completely agree. How can you have a "day after plan" with individuals who have the mindset that any presence of Jews within the borders of Israel are unacceptable? That is a non-starter. Maybe the place to begin is to start ridding the world of the evil Jihadism that has spread like a cancer. Until the underlying mindset and motives change, we will be living in a cycle of generation after generation of Islamism that seeks the death and destruction of anyone who isn't "them". There is no negotiating with this type of perspective. There is only destroying this mindset, and working to replace it with tolerance of the "other".