1. One of the fundamental principles of justice is Audi Alteram Partem - hear both sides. 2.The best way to discover whether a witness is telling truth is through cross examination. 3. Tribunals composed of partisans are illegitimate.
Ms Cheney’s committee fails all 3 of these fundamental principles. In my opinion, she is seeking revenge for Donald Trump’s malicious accusation that her father and GWB knew that Saddam Hussein had destroyed his WMD before they sent young American men to Iraq to die or be maimed.
Did the obviously cognitively impaired Joe Biden win the election? My goodness, he barely campaigned. He went to Scranton PA on the morning of the election and was met by a throng of fewer than 20 supporters. If the corrupt and unfit Biden won the election, America is a nation of uninformed haters with very poor judgement.
Was the election stolen.? Although I have no doubt that as of January 6, 2021 nothing could have been done to change the official result there is not the slightest doubt that it was not a free and fair election - based on media coverage alone - and there is plenty of smoke concerning fraud
For example, I have yet to see any evidence that the mail-in ballots were properly vetted before being counted.
So long as Donald Trump remains a viable Presidential candidate there needs to be a bipartisan investigation into the 2020 election. Ms Cheney’s Committee is not what’s needed. It’s no more valid than Mueller’s bogus investigation team.
OTOH, Donald Trump could throw his support behind Ron DeSantis and enable America to put this sorry period in the rear view mirror.
After the election a truly bipartisan committee that explored the increase in political violence and extremism could have been helpful for all of us. Instead we got the Jan 6th show trial which feeds the exact polarization that is tearing the country apart.
Excellent essay. I liked the balance, essentially Trump did fabulous things with his legislative agenda but he’s a egotistical manic who’s time has passed. Correct on both points!
How did this group just become the mob I'm trying to get away from? Why are so many people in here having full-on freak outs just because they read something they disagreed with. You're supposed to be the sane ones, remember? The people who will banish the intolerance, chaos and orthodoxy, remember? Now put on your damn big boy pants and agree to disagree about one piece you read without running out of the room screaming like your hair is fire. Seriously, people. Grow up.
For years we were fed propaganda and fabrications usually elite tested and twitter approved. So for the author to immediately buy what Hutchinson claimed is going to leave a sour taste (Why not wait a couple days to see if the story would fall apart or hold water?). Personally I am glad the piece was here because its important to read the other perspectives and thoughts. But understand how furious many Americans are when they see our fact checkers and truth tellers craft self serving narratives and for people to just lop them up.
A lot of propaganda that low information people believe. Several Secret Service agents just said that Trump never tried to grab the wheel of the limo. I doubt Trump was sitting in front so that made no sense to start with. Now even CNN is denying that happened. I am very disappointed that this person was allowed to spread this false information on Bari's Substack. Anyone remember the May 29 insurrection? When Dem supporters attacked The White House and Trump had to be taken to the bunker? Was anyone prosecuted for that? Why not? Why was there never a special committee to invesigate that? Does anyone remember when Hillary claimed that Trump cheated to win that election? The attempts to impeach Trump with lies and propaganda? Why is nobody being punished for that massive scam? I could go on. It is obvious that the current Biden administration and the Biden family is massively corrupt. Yet this author vilifies Trump and seems OK with all of the illegal and immoral history on the other side.
You have the chops to write and article for Common Sense. I applaud you. The Ungar-Sargon analysis was devoid of common sense. You point that out quite well.
Article was carefully crafted to appear balanced. However, the conclusion of the author was biased based upon debunked accusations impeachment, Russian collusion etc. Honest people see the play on Trump is still in motion. It just reveals how much the establishment fear his policies. Trump's policies were effective and benefited all Americans. I just pray we can reach some middle ground in this country because we are in a real dire situation.
Disappointing article, Sargon. There are a lot more important issues than the 1-6 hearing……the epidemic of fentanyl for starters. You don’t like Trump, we get it. But covering for this bullshiite is inexcusable.
Bari, I subscribed to your newsletter because I respected you as a truly professional and bipartisan journalist. I am disappointed that you would publish an article written by an amateur that is totally based on testimony that was totally debunked the same day it was given to a Kangaroo Court run by Shifty Adam that held a similar court regarding the Russian Lie about Trump that was proven to not only be a lie but Hillary and the DNC was completely guilting of paying for the false rumor. Shame on you.
Batya, I am a unenrolled voter and a political moderate. I agree that congress should do a deep dive into this matter and make sure the guilty are punished. However, whether the democrats know it or not, they are doing the republicans a big favor; exposing Trump and sweeping him into the dustbin of history. With Trump out of the way, the republicans can move on without a bloodbath. Good riddance to The Donald!
Batya Ungar-Sargon is an editor at .... NEWSWEEK! Given that discredited rag, does her take surprise any of you? A news grifter seeking relevance with disingenuousness
Just scrolling through comments it appears most commenters aren't buying what Ms. Ungar-Sargon presented. I'm also a bit surprised with her perspective presented here. I've seen her on TV and read other pieces she's written and have found her to be pretty balanced overall. I haven't watched any of the hearings since there is no fair balance...no one to cross examine witnesses. So basically I don't know if anything presented is true. That was a mistake the committee made, if the effort was to uncover the truth. But I feel the real reason for the committee was to damage Donald Trump. So as a political hit job, I'm not interested. I differ from a lot of commenters in that I don't think it's wrong for Common Sense to show this perspective. After all, a free press should present various perspectives and then the reader/viewer can decide what to accept and reject.
I think that hutchinson's testimony has been largely debunked. Asd how can one believe Adam Schiff whi has shown that he lies with such great ease that is hard to iamgine; during the russia hoax, he pretended seriously to have tangible proff which h never produced. SO LET'S NOT GIVE TOO MUCH CREDIT TO HUTCHINSON'S TESTIMONY.
Rick, you took the words right out of my mouth. My feelings about Donald Trump or exactly like yours, my feelings about the left distorting are just like yours, and I cannot believe anyone taking what they said in the January 6 hearings at face value. I am rather disappointed in her commentary but it’s her opinion .
I am amazed - just roll over and let them scratch your belly! You’ll forget that they choke you through out the year, robbing you and your family. WASHINGTON doesn’t give a hoot about you or JUSTICE. Honestly, I’m surprised that there are so many starry eyed foolish people here.
Let me tell you who I am - briefly and how I got to my VERY CONSERVATIVE views. I was born a poor black child (old movie line) - insert laugh. I’m a kid from Long Island, but then ended up going to a dozen schools. Women’s lib (and alcohol) robbed me of a normal childhood. I remember the 70s gas lines, and sitting in the car at LaGuardia where I was supposed to tell the ticket cop my Dad would be right back. Oh, my Dad left me in a foster home for a year - for financial reasons. Now I suspect it was TAXES - it was the 70s.
High School was in San Diego and skipped school in LaJolla - hanging out at Saks. Finally graduated.
So I, like so many CA girls got into SITUATIONS. Mine was a car accident on the 405. An illegal alien left his car PARKED ON THE FWY. No Ins. NOT LEGAL. Well, I was broken badly - my face - thank God for Plastic Surgery.
STRIKE 1!
Well, turns out I work my little fingers to the bones. And know a guy at the RAMS who gets jail time for tax evasion.
STRIKE 2!
I marry Prince Charming, a VP in a thriving industry, country club… a couple of abortions and ten years. Boom, I’m a single mother having to explain to an IRS agent that I can barely afford milk and rent! Let alone the liens CALIFORNIA and the FED had on me.
Strike 3!
Still working my little fingers to the bone. I have sat in limousines with stars, I have had dinner with Chinese oil executives. And I am going to tell you straight. We are being robbed by communists. Bennie Thompson - honestly… look up the group he was in in the 70s look up his violent little group that murdered a cop on MS called Republic of New Africa. Look up ED BUCK a mass murderer in Hollywood and a donor to Hillary and Adam Schiff. Lastly - look up SUSAN Rosenberg - bomber if Congressional building and murderer. Nadler and Clinton, Bill made sure she got released from prison early. And, for a while she was the brains of BLM. Susan Rosenberg Influencewatch.
1. One of the fundamental principles of justice is Audi Alteram Partem - hear both sides. 2.The best way to discover whether a witness is telling truth is through cross examination. 3. Tribunals composed of partisans are illegitimate.
Ms Cheney’s committee fails all 3 of these fundamental principles. In my opinion, she is seeking revenge for Donald Trump’s malicious accusation that her father and GWB knew that Saddam Hussein had destroyed his WMD before they sent young American men to Iraq to die or be maimed.
Did the obviously cognitively impaired Joe Biden win the election? My goodness, he barely campaigned. He went to Scranton PA on the morning of the election and was met by a throng of fewer than 20 supporters. If the corrupt and unfit Biden won the election, America is a nation of uninformed haters with very poor judgement.
Was the election stolen.? Although I have no doubt that as of January 6, 2021 nothing could have been done to change the official result there is not the slightest doubt that it was not a free and fair election - based on media coverage alone - and there is plenty of smoke concerning fraud
For example, I have yet to see any evidence that the mail-in ballots were properly vetted before being counted.
So long as Donald Trump remains a viable Presidential candidate there needs to be a bipartisan investigation into the 2020 election. Ms Cheney’s Committee is not what’s needed. It’s no more valid than Mueller’s bogus investigation team.
OTOH, Donald Trump could throw his support behind Ron DeSantis and enable America to put this sorry period in the rear view mirror.
The author leaves out more than she reveals. This is not journalism.
After the election a truly bipartisan committee that explored the increase in political violence and extremism could have been helpful for all of us. Instead we got the Jan 6th show trial which feeds the exact polarization that is tearing the country apart.
Excellent essay. I liked the balance, essentially Trump did fabulous things with his legislative agenda but he’s a egotistical manic who’s time has passed. Correct on both points!
How did this group just become the mob I'm trying to get away from? Why are so many people in here having full-on freak outs just because they read something they disagreed with. You're supposed to be the sane ones, remember? The people who will banish the intolerance, chaos and orthodoxy, remember? Now put on your damn big boy pants and agree to disagree about one piece you read without running out of the room screaming like your hair is fire. Seriously, people. Grow up.
For years we were fed propaganda and fabrications usually elite tested and twitter approved. So for the author to immediately buy what Hutchinson claimed is going to leave a sour taste (Why not wait a couple days to see if the story would fall apart or hold water?). Personally I am glad the piece was here because its important to read the other perspectives and thoughts. But understand how furious many Americans are when they see our fact checkers and truth tellers craft self serving narratives and for people to just lop them up.
A lot of propaganda that low information people believe. Several Secret Service agents just said that Trump never tried to grab the wheel of the limo. I doubt Trump was sitting in front so that made no sense to start with. Now even CNN is denying that happened. I am very disappointed that this person was allowed to spread this false information on Bari's Substack. Anyone remember the May 29 insurrection? When Dem supporters attacked The White House and Trump had to be taken to the bunker? Was anyone prosecuted for that? Why not? Why was there never a special committee to invesigate that? Does anyone remember when Hillary claimed that Trump cheated to win that election? The attempts to impeach Trump with lies and propaganda? Why is nobody being punished for that massive scam? I could go on. It is obvious that the current Biden administration and the Biden family is massively corrupt. Yet this author vilifies Trump and seems OK with all of the illegal and immoral history on the other side.
C'mon man, everyone knows that Orange Man Bad likes to "grab 'em by the steerin' wheel"
Mr. Bosshardt:
You have the chops to write and article for Common Sense. I applaud you. The Ungar-Sargon analysis was devoid of common sense. You point that out quite well.
Article was carefully crafted to appear balanced. However, the conclusion of the author was biased based upon debunked accusations impeachment, Russian collusion etc. Honest people see the play on Trump is still in motion. It just reveals how much the establishment fear his policies. Trump's policies were effective and benefited all Americans. I just pray we can reach some middle ground in this country because we are in a real dire situation.
Disappointing article, Sargon. There are a lot more important issues than the 1-6 hearing……the epidemic of fentanyl for starters. You don’t like Trump, we get it. But covering for this bullshiite is inexcusable.
Bari, I subscribed to your newsletter because I respected you as a truly professional and bipartisan journalist. I am disappointed that you would publish an article written by an amateur that is totally based on testimony that was totally debunked the same day it was given to a Kangaroo Court run by Shifty Adam that held a similar court regarding the Russian Lie about Trump that was proven to not only be a lie but Hillary and the DNC was completely guilting of paying for the false rumor. Shame on you.
Batya, I am a unenrolled voter and a political moderate. I agree that congress should do a deep dive into this matter and make sure the guilty are punished. However, whether the democrats know it or not, they are doing the republicans a big favor; exposing Trump and sweeping him into the dustbin of history. With Trump out of the way, the republicans can move on without a bloodbath. Good riddance to The Donald!
Batya Ungar-Sargon is an editor at .... NEWSWEEK! Given that discredited rag, does her take surprise any of you? A news grifter seeking relevance with disingenuousness
Just scrolling through comments it appears most commenters aren't buying what Ms. Ungar-Sargon presented. I'm also a bit surprised with her perspective presented here. I've seen her on TV and read other pieces she's written and have found her to be pretty balanced overall. I haven't watched any of the hearings since there is no fair balance...no one to cross examine witnesses. So basically I don't know if anything presented is true. That was a mistake the committee made, if the effort was to uncover the truth. But I feel the real reason for the committee was to damage Donald Trump. So as a political hit job, I'm not interested. I differ from a lot of commenters in that I don't think it's wrong for Common Sense to show this perspective. After all, a free press should present various perspectives and then the reader/viewer can decide what to accept and reject.
"I differ from a lot of commenters in that I don't think it's wrong for Common Sense to show this perspective."
Huh? You just fell into the trap. Don't you want Weiss, et al, to be a bit more editorial? Here is Nellie's intro to this piece ...
"The January 6 Hearings Changed My Mind
The day was one of the most covered in American history. What more could we possibly learn? A lot."
Who's statement is that? What is Nellie advocating? Fine to run "other views" but to promote them as something worthy? Nah, Nellie failed.
I think that hutchinson's testimony has been largely debunked. Asd how can one believe Adam Schiff whi has shown that he lies with such great ease that is hard to iamgine; during the russia hoax, he pretended seriously to have tangible proff which h never produced. SO LET'S NOT GIVE TOO MUCH CREDIT TO HUTCHINSON'S TESTIMONY.
Rick, you took the words right out of my mouth. My feelings about Donald Trump or exactly like yours, my feelings about the left distorting are just like yours, and I cannot believe anyone taking what they said in the January 6 hearings at face value. I am rather disappointed in her commentary but it’s her opinion .
I am amazed - just roll over and let them scratch your belly! You’ll forget that they choke you through out the year, robbing you and your family. WASHINGTON doesn’t give a hoot about you or JUSTICE. Honestly, I’m surprised that there are so many starry eyed foolish people here.
Let me tell you who I am - briefly and how I got to my VERY CONSERVATIVE views. I was born a poor black child (old movie line) - insert laugh. I’m a kid from Long Island, but then ended up going to a dozen schools. Women’s lib (and alcohol) robbed me of a normal childhood. I remember the 70s gas lines, and sitting in the car at LaGuardia where I was supposed to tell the ticket cop my Dad would be right back. Oh, my Dad left me in a foster home for a year - for financial reasons. Now I suspect it was TAXES - it was the 70s.
High School was in San Diego and skipped school in LaJolla - hanging out at Saks. Finally graduated.
So I, like so many CA girls got into SITUATIONS. Mine was a car accident on the 405. An illegal alien left his car PARKED ON THE FWY. No Ins. NOT LEGAL. Well, I was broken badly - my face - thank God for Plastic Surgery.
STRIKE 1!
Well, turns out I work my little fingers to the bones. And know a guy at the RAMS who gets jail time for tax evasion.
STRIKE 2!
I marry Prince Charming, a VP in a thriving industry, country club… a couple of abortions and ten years. Boom, I’m a single mother having to explain to an IRS agent that I can barely afford milk and rent! Let alone the liens CALIFORNIA and the FED had on me.
Strike 3!
Still working my little fingers to the bone. I have sat in limousines with stars, I have had dinner with Chinese oil executives. And I am going to tell you straight. We are being robbed by communists. Bennie Thompson - honestly… look up the group he was in in the 70s look up his violent little group that murdered a cop on MS called Republic of New Africa. Look up ED BUCK a mass murderer in Hollywood and a donor to Hillary and Adam Schiff. Lastly - look up SUSAN Rosenberg - bomber if Congressional building and murderer. Nadler and Clinton, Bill made sure she got released from prison early. And, for a while she was the brains of BLM. Susan Rosenberg Influencewatch.
Gotta go. Good chat.