Science, proper science, is not dogmatic and all human endeavors should follow the notion that we all stand on the edge of error. Yes Jews, yes Islam, Yes Christians, yes dogmatic scientists... we are all fallible and it is very dangerous to aspire to the knowledge of gods. Even your god.
Great stuff from Lake, as usual. But I object to one characterization.
"Palestinian nationalism" is said herein to have been born circa 1920 (and is repeatedly referred to as such). I believe it is more accurate to describe the nationalism of that era as "Arab nationalism." Even in delineating the phenomenon, Lake describes its adherents as vowing fealty to King Faisal of Syria! The "Palestinians" back then were the *Jews.* Al-Husseini's dependence on fomenting global Arab and Muslim antipathy to the Jews (centered on Al-Aqsa), to fuel this "nationalism," cements the point.
"Palestinian" nationalism as such was born in 1964, I believe, with the formation of the PLO.
Great detail in this, I thought I knew my history of the area but you did a service weaving the people into the history, their animus and beliefs! Based on this I would like at some point to see a timeline visual of the people and events tied back to the people and territories
Man, it's really getting bad and I'm not exaggerating: two comments over the last several days in the NYT were 'not currently available' after receiving an email which said 'your comment has been approved'.
Scary how the commissars of the NYT are getting more and more censor happy.
The comment was a review of Our Town.
Review: An ‘Our Town’ for All of Us, Starring Jim Parsons
The Thornton Wilder classic returns to Broadway, still brutal and avant-garde after 86 years.
by Jesse Green
Stephan Morrow | Manhattan
I'll probably get crucified for daring to utter this but like so many theater pieces taken out of their original period and context - an inter racial marriage is so unlikely at the time of the original production (as I recall Thornton Wilder was intractable about changing anything about the play). And Grover's Corners is in what? Vermont? That would happen there in the middle of conservative New England - not on this planet. 'course, this is the brainchild of Kenny Leon & so we must defer to POC thinking now. Anyone who does is made into a pariah - esp in theater. I think we've already had a Black Stanley Kowalski - PC minded virtue-signaling if not possible at all in N.O of the pd w/ a Kowalski. The biggest offender of this kind of endeavor is Hamilton which somehow has changed the racial mix of the original founders by welcoming in POC's under the rubric of Inclusivity. To me IMHO it's rewriting history & simply representing it in a way it never was. Learn from history? Not if it's distorted to the degree that it's unrecognizable? Call me old school & I've worked in black theater but I like to think it was representational e.g. my dear friend Phillip Hayes Dean - a persnickety kind of writer was picketed by the NAACP for his version of Robeson cuz it was accurate & showed him warts and all. These days I would guess Phillip would be crucified for that and is turning over in his grave since he was not in favor of brainwashing. Just wasn't. Art Dir Grt American Play Series
Mordechai Kedar, an Israeli scholar and academic known for his expertise in Arabic culture and politics, has argued that the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem may not be the original mosque referred to in Islamic texts, which Muslims consider the third holiest site in Islam.
Kedar has suggested that the mosque mentioned in the Qur'an's story of the Prophet Muhammad's night journey, "Isra and Mi'raj", could refer to a location in a different city—possibly near Mecca, rather than the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. This argument is based on historical interpretations and the fact that the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem was constructed after Muhammad's death, leading Kedar to question its centrality in early Islamic tradition.
Just maybe the mosques were built, as they were built upon all lands Islamists conquered, and this one is not especially holy. You spew lies long enough and they become "truth."
This is a little off topic but not really. At first I received an email from the NYT saying 'your comment has been approved' but then I looked into the comments section and this is what came up. “this comment is not currently available”. Can you imagine? The NYT did this. There's a statement that says 'comments are moderated for civility' Well, I say:
IT IS CENSORSHIP BY ANY OTHER NAME.
Your Comment on 'Musk Is Going All In to Elect Trump'
" I'm an Off Off Bway theater artist & have no money to speak of - clearly, no billionaire - but I don't envy those people either. Sometimes billionaires are not just guided by their financial investments. I say live & let live to them. I may not count for much in Trump's vision of the world where you have to have enough dough to qualify as someone important enough to be listened to. You keep your billions & just let me have the freedom to scrape together enough shekels to put up theater that I consider 'significant' even if only a few hundred people see it. (Luckily, out in - of all places, L.A. I'm getting traction for filming my stage productions (my dream is to resurrect the golden age of TV w/ writers e.g. Chayevsky, Serling & Ribman)& will go out there to possibly receive an award for the script of 'The Coming Storm' about the rise of the Nazis in 30's Germany which was made on 'Official Selection' of 2 film festivals.(fingers crossed - their awards may not be worth a dime & I'm not an applause junkie but a little acknowledgement while trying to climb Mt Everest is always welcome - which is what it feels like every time you put a production with almost no funds.) But I have no patience with people like Ta-nehisi Coates (forgive me if that's not correct) who hate the Republic & everything it stands for: from changing the date of its inception to creating a Stalinist totalitarian state rectifying grievances 200 yrs old. Guilt kills.
The Free Press plays the exact same game. They ban people they don't like under the guise of protecting "civility". Civility for Bari Weiss is that you have to believe that Israel can do whatever it wants in the world, the Democrats are bad, but Trump is worse and no matter what... never question real power because those who have real power might give her a Pulitzer someday. And abortion. You have LOVE abortion. Abortion on pizza, abortion soup, abortion flavored candy and smoothies... anything about abortion has to be 100% great for women all the time... no exceptions...
The Democratic Party Rehabilitation Project... DELENDA EST!
Very good article/podcast by Eli Lake. But, there is no "third holiest site" in Islam. That idea itself is a Palestinian (now Iranian) talking point (lie). Yes, the Arabs want to try to deny the link (the reality) of the connection between Jews now and all of ancient Israel and the middle east for the past time.
I wrote a substack on Iran's obsession with the "al-Asqua" lie and with Jerusalem. I should say not merely Iran's obsession, since it has only been going on since 1979, but the Islamic Republic's obsession and the IIRGC's terrorism. A link to my substack is here.
I would love if TFP could recommend a reading list of essential histories (say half a dozen books or equivalent) that go into more detail on all of this. It's fascinating; it isn't taught in US schools; it seems as important as anything else we study about the 20th century.
I am not sure why the musings of a bunch of iron-age Hebrews and the fanatical late-bloomer Mohammadans warrants further study. Both of these groups are sublimely idiotic. One has been professing its crude belief system for (according to them) 5,700 years and the other has become the enfent terrible of the mob. Neither Judaism nor Islam are worthy of the trouble they bring to the rest of the world. The sooner people stop believing their nonsense, the better.
The Democratic Rehabilitation Project... DELENDA EST!
"Neither Judaism nor Islam are worthy of the trouble they bring to the rest of the world"....boy that just cuts to heart of all problems in the four corners of earth. So simple.
Impotently sputtering rage about Jewish people, or equating them to Islamists, is how people who have failed in life make themselves feel better about having never accomplished anything. It’s how they get attention on the internet because in the real world, no one cares or even knows they exist. Best to just pity them.
I had a fantastic middle eastern history course in college in the late 1980s, but this really put the puzzle pieces back together for me. I think I need to stand in front of a whiteboard and chart this out. Would love to see it if someone has already done so…..I really enjoy and appreciate Eli Lake’s reporting. Very well done.
Jacob Bronowski explains dogma and arrogance and ignorance the best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXwj4jMnWZg
Science, proper science, is not dogmatic and all human endeavors should follow the notion that we all stand on the edge of error. Yes Jews, yes Islam, Yes Christians, yes dogmatic scientists... we are all fallible and it is very dangerous to aspire to the knowledge of gods. Even your god.
Great stuff from Lake, as usual. But I object to one characterization.
"Palestinian nationalism" is said herein to have been born circa 1920 (and is repeatedly referred to as such). I believe it is more accurate to describe the nationalism of that era as "Arab nationalism." Even in delineating the phenomenon, Lake describes its adherents as vowing fealty to King Faisal of Syria! The "Palestinians" back then were the *Jews.* Al-Husseini's dependence on fomenting global Arab and Muslim antipathy to the Jews (centered on Al-Aqsa), to fuel this "nationalism," cements the point.
"Palestinian" nationalism as such was born in 1964, I believe, with the formation of the PLO.
Great detail in this, I thought I knew my history of the area but you did a service weaving the people into the history, their animus and beliefs! Based on this I would like at some point to see a timeline visual of the people and events tied back to the people and territories
Man, it's really getting bad and I'm not exaggerating: two comments over the last several days in the NYT were 'not currently available' after receiving an email which said 'your comment has been approved'.
Scary how the commissars of the NYT are getting more and more censor happy.
The comment was a review of Our Town.
Review: An ‘Our Town’ for All of Us, Starring Jim Parsons
The Thornton Wilder classic returns to Broadway, still brutal and avant-garde after 86 years.
by Jesse Green
Stephan Morrow | Manhattan
I'll probably get crucified for daring to utter this but like so many theater pieces taken out of their original period and context - an inter racial marriage is so unlikely at the time of the original production (as I recall Thornton Wilder was intractable about changing anything about the play). And Grover's Corners is in what? Vermont? That would happen there in the middle of conservative New England - not on this planet. 'course, this is the brainchild of Kenny Leon & so we must defer to POC thinking now. Anyone who does is made into a pariah - esp in theater. I think we've already had a Black Stanley Kowalski - PC minded virtue-signaling if not possible at all in N.O of the pd w/ a Kowalski. The biggest offender of this kind of endeavor is Hamilton which somehow has changed the racial mix of the original founders by welcoming in POC's under the rubric of Inclusivity. To me IMHO it's rewriting history & simply representing it in a way it never was. Learn from history? Not if it's distorted to the degree that it's unrecognizable? Call me old school & I've worked in black theater but I like to think it was representational e.g. my dear friend Phillip Hayes Dean - a persnickety kind of writer was picketed by the NAACP for his version of Robeson cuz it was accurate & showed him warts and all. These days I would guess Phillip would be crucified for that and is turning over in his grave since he was not in favor of brainwashing. Just wasn't. Art Dir Grt American Play Series
Yes. I leave a comment on almost every article about Israel and it NEVER gets approved.
Mordechai Kedar, an Israeli scholar and academic known for his expertise in Arabic culture and politics, has argued that the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem may not be the original mosque referred to in Islamic texts, which Muslims consider the third holiest site in Islam.
Kedar has suggested that the mosque mentioned in the Qur'an's story of the Prophet Muhammad's night journey, "Isra and Mi'raj", could refer to a location in a different city—possibly near Mecca, rather than the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem. This argument is based on historical interpretations and the fact that the Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem was constructed after Muhammad's death, leading Kedar to question its centrality in early Islamic tradition.
Just maybe the mosques were built, as they were built upon all lands Islamists conquered, and this one is not especially holy. You spew lies long enough and they become "truth."
This is a little off topic but not really. At first I received an email from the NYT saying 'your comment has been approved' but then I looked into the comments section and this is what came up. “this comment is not currently available”. Can you imagine? The NYT did this. There's a statement that says 'comments are moderated for civility' Well, I say:
IT IS CENSORSHIP BY ANY OTHER NAME.
Your Comment on 'Musk Is Going All In to Elect Trump'
" I'm an Off Off Bway theater artist & have no money to speak of - clearly, no billionaire - but I don't envy those people either. Sometimes billionaires are not just guided by their financial investments. I say live & let live to them. I may not count for much in Trump's vision of the world where you have to have enough dough to qualify as someone important enough to be listened to. You keep your billions & just let me have the freedom to scrape together enough shekels to put up theater that I consider 'significant' even if only a few hundred people see it. (Luckily, out in - of all places, L.A. I'm getting traction for filming my stage productions (my dream is to resurrect the golden age of TV w/ writers e.g. Chayevsky, Serling & Ribman)& will go out there to possibly receive an award for the script of 'The Coming Storm' about the rise of the Nazis in 30's Germany which was made on 'Official Selection' of 2 film festivals.(fingers crossed - their awards may not be worth a dime & I'm not an applause junkie but a little acknowledgement while trying to climb Mt Everest is always welcome - which is what it feels like every time you put a production with almost no funds.) But I have no patience with people like Ta-nehisi Coates (forgive me if that's not correct) who hate the Republic & everything it stands for: from changing the date of its inception to creating a Stalinist totalitarian state rectifying grievances 200 yrs old. Guilt kills.
Art Dir
Grt American Play Series
The Free Press plays the exact same game. They ban people they don't like under the guise of protecting "civility". Civility for Bari Weiss is that you have to believe that Israel can do whatever it wants in the world, the Democrats are bad, but Trump is worse and no matter what... never question real power because those who have real power might give her a Pulitzer someday. And abortion. You have LOVE abortion. Abortion on pizza, abortion soup, abortion flavored candy and smoothies... anything about abortion has to be 100% great for women all the time... no exceptions...
The Democratic Party Rehabilitation Project... DELENDA EST!
Very good article/podcast by Eli Lake. But, there is no "third holiest site" in Islam. That idea itself is a Palestinian (now Iranian) talking point (lie). Yes, the Arabs want to try to deny the link (the reality) of the connection between Jews now and all of ancient Israel and the middle east for the past time.
I wrote a substack on Iran's obsession with the "al-Asqua" lie and with Jerusalem. I should say not merely Iran's obsession, since it has only been going on since 1979, but the Islamic Republic's obsession and the IIRGC's terrorism. A link to my substack is here.
https://gendegen.substack.com/p/what-is-behind-irans-obsession-with
I would love if TFP could recommend a reading list of essential histories (say half a dozen books or equivalent) that go into more detail on all of this. It's fascinating; it isn't taught in US schools; it seems as important as anything else we study about the 20th century.
I am not sure why the musings of a bunch of iron-age Hebrews and the fanatical late-bloomer Mohammadans warrants further study. Both of these groups are sublimely idiotic. One has been professing its crude belief system for (according to them) 5,700 years and the other has become the enfent terrible of the mob. Neither Judaism nor Islam are worthy of the trouble they bring to the rest of the world. The sooner people stop believing their nonsense, the better.
The Democratic Rehabilitation Project... DELENDA EST!
"Neither Judaism nor Islam are worthy of the trouble they bring to the rest of the world"....boy that just cuts to heart of all problems in the four corners of earth. So simple.
Impotently sputtering rage about Jewish people, or equating them to Islamists, is how people who have failed in life make themselves feel better about having never accomplished anything. It’s how they get attention on the internet because in the real world, no one cares or even knows they exist. Best to just pity them.
I am not Eli or TFP but books written by two of the authors heard on the episode are:
Palestine 1936: The Great Revolt and the Roots of the Middle East Conflict by Oren Kessler and Jerusalem: The Biography by Simon Sebag Montefiore
Thanks! I'm not sure how those slipped by me, though my attention was divided at times. Much appreciated!
also try books by Einat Wilf and Mordechai Kedar.
I had a fantastic middle eastern history course in college in the late 1980s, but this really put the puzzle pieces back together for me. I think I need to stand in front of a whiteboard and chart this out. Would love to see it if someone has already done so…..I really enjoy and appreciate Eli Lake’s reporting. Very well done.