I need to go back and reread all of this but thanks for the interesting viewpoint, it adds a lot more to the discussion than the article above.
If we start “giving back” land where does it stop?
Who decides where it stops?
The UN? They created the current situation.
Poland currently partly sits on germany taken away in 1945, it was shoved west a couple hundred km, they lost the eastern part. Should Germany be making demands? Should the poles be agitating for return of the east?
What about the Tatars of the Crimea, should they get to return or are they in turn SOL as they were there due to the Mongol empire.
I live in southern AB canada and at all sorts of official events there are official land acknowledgements to the previous native occupants.
After the first recitation what is the point?
We aren’t going away or giving it back, several million people here compared to maybe 10s of thousands back in the day (the prairie is a harsh place to live).
I just don’t know where any of this ends, as long as both sides want all or nothing.
Thanks for the moderate reply Pat, we need more of the same.
"If we start “giving back” land where does it stop?"
The Green Line. It's the only candidate for an internationally recognized starting point. Mind, nobody has to move right away, the occupied lands with the Line are 'officially' Palestinian again, but then the haggling starts -- Israel will no doubt want to purchase additional land so lots of people within the Line won't be moving.
"Poland currently partly sits on germany taken away in 1945"
Sure. And dozens of similar. I myself still think the Germans should give Holstein back to Denmark. Here's the difference. When Bismark grabbed Holstein, nobody was thrown out of their houses and made refugees. All that happened is that a different flag was hoisted over the town hall, the official language changed ... and so on. Happy Danes became happy Germans. Nobody was expelled. I once heard a joke to the effect that there was a time when Alsatians kept both a German and a French flag in the closet ... just in case. I don't care about flags, I care about legal title to private property.
You could think of Canada's acknowledgements as the exact opposite problem -- we now fawn over the Indians and treat them like hereditary aristocrats. We profess that all the land is really theirs -- but we aren't really going away. Imagine Israel treating the Palestinians the same way.
I need to go back and reread all of this but thanks for the interesting viewpoint, it adds a lot more to the discussion than the article above.
If we start “giving back” land where does it stop?
Who decides where it stops?
The UN? They created the current situation.
Poland currently partly sits on germany taken away in 1945, it was shoved west a couple hundred km, they lost the eastern part. Should Germany be making demands? Should the poles be agitating for return of the east?
What about the Tatars of the Crimea, should they get to return or are they in turn SOL as they were there due to the Mongol empire.
I live in southern AB canada and at all sorts of official events there are official land acknowledgements to the previous native occupants.
After the first recitation what is the point?
We aren’t going away or giving it back, several million people here compared to maybe 10s of thousands back in the day (the prairie is a harsh place to live).
I just don’t know where any of this ends, as long as both sides want all or nothing.
Thanks again.
Thanks for the moderate reply Pat, we need more of the same.
"If we start “giving back” land where does it stop?"
The Green Line. It's the only candidate for an internationally recognized starting point. Mind, nobody has to move right away, the occupied lands with the Line are 'officially' Palestinian again, but then the haggling starts -- Israel will no doubt want to purchase additional land so lots of people within the Line won't be moving.
"Poland currently partly sits on germany taken away in 1945"
Sure. And dozens of similar. I myself still think the Germans should give Holstein back to Denmark. Here's the difference. When Bismark grabbed Holstein, nobody was thrown out of their houses and made refugees. All that happened is that a different flag was hoisted over the town hall, the official language changed ... and so on. Happy Danes became happy Germans. Nobody was expelled. I once heard a joke to the effect that there was a time when Alsatians kept both a German and a French flag in the closet ... just in case. I don't care about flags, I care about legal title to private property.
You could think of Canada's acknowledgements as the exact opposite problem -- we now fawn over the Indians and treat them like hereditary aristocrats. We profess that all the land is really theirs -- but we aren't really going away. Imagine Israel treating the Palestinians the same way.