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That’s not very good: “what about them “ is not a compelling plan

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Well maybe this will help. All the liberal leftist ideas and programs and policies when deconstructed and analyzed as to their effectiveness and success rate are usually found to be boondoggles and a waste of taxpayer dollars. Almost without fail.

Once a program is proposed in Congress and all the "positive" aspects put forth and the hoped for benefit to poor individuals there should be some accountability for the funds spent and the elected officials pushing the program should have to answer the simple question. If this policy and program is funded and successful then --- "what is next."

I could cite many great sounding programs like "Head Start" and others that are enacted and funded without being evaluated and assessed as to what is the bang for the buck and where are the funds going. Once you look closely and try to determine its success (if there is any) it would be nice to know "what is next." Or if there is even a next.

Did anyone benefit from that plan when you evaluate it on a what happened next after the program was implemented. Kind of like the "what about them" statement. Before the Great Society programs we had less poor and many intact minority families. After its enactment many, many administrators and federal supervisors got great paying jobs but no one asked what about the people supposed to be helped from poverty. What about the millions who slide into poverty during the Great Society and other "programs to help the poor?" There are in fact poor people -- what about them?

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Very well said, what’s next is not asked and the program becomes a make work program for the government employees. The whole liberal plan is now a cul-de-sac: dead end.

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But NEVER for the individuals administering the plan. It is always Payday!

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They aren't a waste if you are given the money in the name of "helping." There are millions of people (Chirlane McCray DiBlasio, for one) whose entire living is dependent on government handing money to people to hand money to the poor.

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It’s an industry with thousands of employees

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From a Broadway musical written 50 years ago (paraphrasing the bible):

"Surely you're not saying we have the resources to save the poor from their lot? There will be poor always, pathetically struggling, look at the good things you've got."

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"....You'll be lost and you'll be sorry when I'm goooooooone"

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I think Ted Neeley actually thinks he's Jesus at this point

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I am sure we do have the resources. Problem is the grantors and allocators of those resources put themselves first in line to get those resources as administrators and "facilitators" and are not concerned in the least whether those being "helped" or actually have their lives improved. As long as the "program" is renewed each year and funded it keeps on keeping on.

Good private and religious based charities often make a real difference to people in need. Great hospitals like St. Judes, Shriners along with countless other charities where individuals work as unpaid volunteers do move the needle. Try adding up the millions of hours worked by different organizations and their volenteers and multiply that by the minimum wage and the dollar value is astounding.. All without "benefit" packages and govt. union wages.

Most of these people don't reflect on what they personally have but on what they can do for people who don't have much of anything. Guess it is just what prism one looks through is to how we view the world. The idea that a govt. bureaucracy or program could or would solve the problems of society is very optimistic. They might do it but at probably three or four times the cost and very inefficiently in many cases. Government has some success but mostly it runs into fully funded DEAD ENDS. Just my POV.

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Well said, I think you nailed it.

I’m Canadian and our idiot Prime Minister endlessly speaks of investing in Canadians; that was his sales pitch in the last general election which he won. What he means is increasing taxes and debt, creating more government programs for the bureaucrats to run. At the centre of this is an incredible arrogance: we know better. His policies will impoverished Canada with a world of government officials pursuing their own self interest, producing a small output at great expense. I am a business owner I see it all the time, we are constantly being harassed by them but the average person doesn’t see this waste, they are fooled.

I think as the secular age has replaced the antiquated notion of a Creator God the human intuition of intelligent design has not gone away but migrated to new centres of moral authority currently the clerisy of the academic left and they are idiots.

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Sarcasm. I thought "Libertarian Handbook" would be the giveaway.

From a Steve Harvey comedy routine: "My daddy taught me about poor people. He said don't be one of them"

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Whoopsie 😙

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