You don’t need a forever war, you don’t even need a war. You impose sanctions, dry up the oil like Trump did and wait for the popular revolution or make it clear to Iran, that you will under no circumstances, permit them to gain an atomic bomb.
Right on! First, the neocons gave us the stupidest war in our history, the utterly disastrous war to “protect” Israel from Iraq. For dessert, now Bibi and AIPAC are doung all in their power to blow lots more blood, treasure, and international goodwill by going to war to “protect” Israel from Iran. This Israeli tail trying to wag the American dog has to stop. Israel is Exhibit A of the profound wisdom of Washington’s warning that America must never allow itself to get so entangled with the affairs of another nation that its interests come to override our own. America would be crazy to go to war with Iran. If Israel wants war with Iran, let it fight its own battles. I’m heartened that Harris is listening to Gordon.
Good lord, Gordon's policymaking ideas regarding Iran are what led to war in the first place. Without a "relaxing", or non enforcement of sanctions against Iran, Iran would not have had the funds to arm or train Hezbollah or Hamas or the Houthis attacking international shipping.
10 B-52s, as the final blow after fully disabling their air defenses. Utterly destroy Iran's ability to build nukes. This is how I would deal with this monster.
The real question is why are you so hell-bent on believing that giving Iran money and loosening sanctions is a good idea. The Middle East is living through a crisis caused by doing exactly this. If these policies continue, kiss the Abraham Accords, which would give the Middle East a pathway to long peace, good-bye.
Didn’t we give sudan $1B to fund their war as part of the abraham accords? Isn’t that giving away money (it will likeky not be repaid)? And is that really a path to long peace if funding war?
Sudan and Iran aren't remotely comparable. Iran has been a US adversary since 1979, and has been responsible both directly and through proxies with attacks on American troops and personnel stationed overseas.
Nothing Sudan does or doesn't do is similar to this.
The current Iranian regime has been in power since the Shah was deposed in 1979. The Shah had been in power since 1953, but was installed after an Iranian communist was elected by Iranian citizens. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan should not be taken to be representative of the only way to achieve regime change, or a political outcome preferred by the US and other western nations. An Iranian regime that fails to provide a desirable standard of living for Iranian people could be an Iranian regime that falls on it's own, without the US needing to fire a shot. The Biden administration's decision to suspend enforcement of sanctions that were creating the kinds of economic pressures in Iran that also contributed to the dissolution of the USSR and to communism in the Warsaw Pact nations in 1989 was catastrophically stupid. We are now more likely to end up in a hot war with Iran as a result of Philip Gordon's thinking than if Mike Pompeo was still secretary of state.
The dissolution of the USSR hasn’t created a US friendly Russia. Assuming sanctions brought iran down as you suggest, how would you engineer productive relations with a new Iran regime ongoing?
Actually, the dissolution of the USSR created a Russia that was on good terms with the US throughout the 1990s, and also largely eliminated any threat of Russia creating satellite states within central America, Africa and parts of Europe that had not previously been a part of the Russian empire under the Romanovs.
Regarding Iran, if the US took the same approach that it did to defeating the Soviets in the 1980s, it wouldn't require much to cultivate good relations with Iran. The Islamic regime took power 45 years ago with popular support aided by useful idiot Iranian leftists who opposed the shah, and subsequently had to seek refuge in Europe, mostly Scandinavia after the Shah was deposed. But it's not at all clear that the Islamic regime in Iran enjoys popular support any more than an impoverished, hypothetical American regime subject to massive international sanctions and run by Pat Robertson would.
If you have a well-informed, evidence-based alternative to an expensive (lives/dollars) forever-war with Iran, please reply here with your ideas:
You don’t need a forever war, you don’t even need a war. You impose sanctions, dry up the oil like Trump did and wait for the popular revolution or make it clear to Iran, that you will under no circumstances, permit them to gain an atomic bomb.
Learning from the past, critical thinking, forward looking ideas, very very useful. Spewing criticism, not at all useful. Who has some good ideas?!
Right on! First, the neocons gave us the stupidest war in our history, the utterly disastrous war to “protect” Israel from Iraq. For dessert, now Bibi and AIPAC are doung all in their power to blow lots more blood, treasure, and international goodwill by going to war to “protect” Israel from Iran. This Israeli tail trying to wag the American dog has to stop. Israel is Exhibit A of the profound wisdom of Washington’s warning that America must never allow itself to get so entangled with the affairs of another nation that its interests come to override our own. America would be crazy to go to war with Iran. If Israel wants war with Iran, let it fight its own battles. I’m heartened that Harris is listening to Gordon.
Good lord, Gordon's policymaking ideas regarding Iran are what led to war in the first place. Without a "relaxing", or non enforcement of sanctions against Iran, Iran would not have had the funds to arm or train Hezbollah or Hamas or the Houthis attacking international shipping.
So what involvement do you think the US should have in that region, if any?
Have a B52 bomb them back to the stone age.
10 B-52s, as the final blow after fully disabling their air defenses. Utterly destroy Iran's ability to build nukes. This is how I would deal with this monster.
Exactly
The real question is why are you so hell-bent on believing that giving Iran money and loosening sanctions is a good idea. The Middle East is living through a crisis caused by doing exactly this. If these policies continue, kiss the Abraham Accords, which would give the Middle East a pathway to long peace, good-bye.
Didn’t we give sudan $1B to fund their war as part of the abraham accords? Isn’t that giving away money (it will likeky not be repaid)? And is that really a path to long peace if funding war?
Sudan and Iran aren't remotely comparable. Iran has been a US adversary since 1979, and has been responsible both directly and through proxies with attacks on American troops and personnel stationed overseas.
Nothing Sudan does or doesn't do is similar to this.
The current Iranian regime has been in power since the Shah was deposed in 1979. The Shah had been in power since 1953, but was installed after an Iranian communist was elected by Iranian citizens. The invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan should not be taken to be representative of the only way to achieve regime change, or a political outcome preferred by the US and other western nations. An Iranian regime that fails to provide a desirable standard of living for Iranian people could be an Iranian regime that falls on it's own, without the US needing to fire a shot. The Biden administration's decision to suspend enforcement of sanctions that were creating the kinds of economic pressures in Iran that also contributed to the dissolution of the USSR and to communism in the Warsaw Pact nations in 1989 was catastrophically stupid. We are now more likely to end up in a hot war with Iran as a result of Philip Gordon's thinking than if Mike Pompeo was still secretary of state.
The dissolution of the USSR hasn’t created a US friendly Russia. Assuming sanctions brought iran down as you suggest, how would you engineer productive relations with a new Iran regime ongoing?
Actually, the dissolution of the USSR created a Russia that was on good terms with the US throughout the 1990s, and also largely eliminated any threat of Russia creating satellite states within central America, Africa and parts of Europe that had not previously been a part of the Russian empire under the Romanovs.
Regarding Iran, if the US took the same approach that it did to defeating the Soviets in the 1980s, it wouldn't require much to cultivate good relations with Iran. The Islamic regime took power 45 years ago with popular support aided by useful idiot Iranian leftists who opposed the shah, and subsequently had to seek refuge in Europe, mostly Scandinavia after the Shah was deposed. But it's not at all clear that the Islamic regime in Iran enjoys popular support any more than an impoverished, hypothetical American regime subject to massive international sanctions and run by Pat Robertson would.