I wouldn't call it "undemocratic" to replace Biden as the nominee, since voters still get to decide the next president in November, and most democracies still nominate candidates in closed party rooms, and it's kinda of a soft substitution for what should be done (invoking the 25th), if it weren't for Kamala Harris, but it is an ironic break from recent American tradition.
I wouldn't call it "undemocratic" to replace Biden as the nominee, since voters still get to decide the next president in November, and most democracies still nominate candidates in closed party rooms, and it's kinda of a soft substitution for what should be done (invoking the 25th), if it weren't for Kamala Harris, but it is an ironic break from recent American tradition.
I was going to call it un-American, but I'm not sure how long it's been the way things are done here. It seems relatively new, and an unusual amalgam of state legislation and party rules. How we do things here is continually evolving in this respect. Not exactly a bedrock component of democracy.
If you don’t know maybe best not to speak on it. We’ve had primaries for > 100 years. That’s the way we do things here. If you want to change it fine. The time to do that is not in the middle of the election cycle after millions of people have already cast their ballots. THAT is undemocratic. Just bc your team nominated weekend at Bernie’s doesn’t mean you get to change the rules at halftime.
Most definitely not my team Russell, and the way primaries are done have been changing more or less continuously. Did the Dems really get to cast their vote for who they wanted in the primaries? Were they lied to about real state of Biden's faculties? If primaries are a necessary component of democracy, the fix was already in.
No they haven’t. Not in my lifetime anyway. And anyone who allowed themselves to be lied to about Bidens condition was choosing to believe the propaganda media as opposed to their eyes. That’s their problem. The primary is over and the democrat voters overwhelmingly voted for Biden. No take backs. Sorry about your luck.
And, as I already clarified, it's not my party, not my take back, and not my luck. You can disagree with me, but please don't assume it's because I'm being partisan. I agree with you, from a Republican perspective, it may be better to have the Dems stuck with Biden and Kamala.
That varies from state to state and has absolutely nothing to do with the nomination process in the primaries. Which is what we’re talking about. Nice straw man though. Moving on. ☮️
Exactly, it varies state to state, and frequently. Also I'm pretty sure rules have changed, in my lifetime, about binding of delegates to candidates. That's quite germane to the argument. Primary processes are not foundational and are not longstanding tradition. And, if the rules allow Biden to withdraw, and delegates to vote for whomever, that's the current process.
If they somehow change their rules before the convention, to force Joe out against his wishes, then we can talk.
I totally agree the Dems and probably media (unless their really stupid) are manipulating the situation, to switch candidates without invoking the 25th and having to deal with Kamala as Acting President. It's this undemocratic? Fundamentally, parties are entitled to nominate whatever candidates they want, more or less however they want.
I wouldn't call it "undemocratic" to replace Biden as the nominee, since voters still get to decide the next president in November, and most democracies still nominate candidates in closed party rooms, and it's kinda of a soft substitution for what should be done (invoking the 25th), if it weren't for Kamala Harris, but it is an ironic break from recent American tradition.
Idc what “most” democracies do. That isn’t how we do things here.
I was going to call it un-American, but I'm not sure how long it's been the way things are done here. It seems relatively new, and an unusual amalgam of state legislation and party rules. How we do things here is continually evolving in this respect. Not exactly a bedrock component of democracy.
If you don’t know maybe best not to speak on it. We’ve had primaries for > 100 years. That’s the way we do things here. If you want to change it fine. The time to do that is not in the middle of the election cycle after millions of people have already cast their ballots. THAT is undemocratic. Just bc your team nominated weekend at Bernie’s doesn’t mean you get to change the rules at halftime.
Most definitely not my team Russell, and the way primaries are done have been changing more or less continuously. Did the Dems really get to cast their vote for who they wanted in the primaries? Were they lied to about real state of Biden's faculties? If primaries are a necessary component of democracy, the fix was already in.
No they haven’t. Not in my lifetime anyway. And anyone who allowed themselves to be lied to about Bidens condition was choosing to believe the propaganda media as opposed to their eyes. That’s their problem. The primary is over and the democrat voters overwhelmingly voted for Biden. No take backs. Sorry about your luck.
And, as I already clarified, it's not my party, not my take back, and not my luck. You can disagree with me, but please don't assume it's because I'm being partisan. I agree with you, from a Republican perspective, it may be better to have the Dems stuck with Biden and Kamala.
Rules have changed about who can vote in what primaries, in my lifetime.
That varies from state to state and has absolutely nothing to do with the nomination process in the primaries. Which is what we’re talking about. Nice straw man though. Moving on. ☮️
Exactly, it varies state to state, and frequently. Also I'm pretty sure rules have changed, in my lifetime, about binding of delegates to candidates. That's quite germane to the argument. Primary processes are not foundational and are not longstanding tradition. And, if the rules allow Biden to withdraw, and delegates to vote for whomever, that's the current process.
If they somehow change their rules before the convention, to force Joe out against his wishes, then we can talk.
I totally agree the Dems and probably media (unless their really stupid) are manipulating the situation, to switch candidates without invoking the 25th and having to deal with Kamala as Acting President. It's this undemocratic? Fundamentally, parties are entitled to nominate whatever candidates they want, more or less however they want.
Exactly. The Donkeys fixed this year's primaries - just as they did in 2016 to screw Bernie and in 2020 to eliminate the sentient challengers.
Their voters haven’t demanded a change in the primary election as far as I can tell. A small number of pro jihad Muslims voted uncommitted in a small
Handful of states bc of something something genocide. Otherwise Biden got 90% of the primary votes. This is who they wanted. This is who they get.