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JF's avatar

The shooter was killed. Trump was surrounded and protected by the bodies of secret service. ... I can't believe I subscribed to this rag

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LesleyPezley's avatar

TDS is a horrible thing. You can get help.

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Beth Moroney's avatar

President Trump had no possible way to know that the threat was over when he acted as he did. Yes, the shooter was dead, but how could he have known that there was only one shooter and not more? You can choose to generally dislike the man but you cannot impose your knowledge of the situation after the fact on his actions in those moments following the gunfire. With that in mind, it is difficult to dispute that he acted bravely and with a good deal of leadership in that moment.

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JF's avatar

On what planet does raising your fist and shouting "fight" while sandwiched between multiple secret service qualify you to be a global leader or even the moniker of "brave". trump knows a photo op when he sees one - it is that simple.

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Beth Moroney's avatar

You are entitled to your opinion. I was merely pointing out that he could not have known that there was no other shooter which makes your original comment regarding his portraying any sort of leadership skills invalid. Now your latest comment, in an attempt to make his actions seem quite ordinary under the circumstances, has him wedged between agents yelling fight which obviously in your opinion has him trying to take advantage of a photo op seconds after his attempted assassin. Well I guess we can at least agree that he had the presence of mind, after being almost killed, to do either. Have a nice day with your TDS.

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Spartacus's avatar

The Secret Service would not have let him up if it wasn't clear. Or, they shouldn't have. Someone would have told him.

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Beth Moroney's avatar

Well you would like to think so but the incompetence that day was real.

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Spartacus's avatar

I'm not saying that Trump's response wasnтАЩt courageous. It was. He had just been shot at and barely survived, coming up from a pile-on. Anyone saying that's a walk in the park is a fool.

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Spartacus's avatar

The sniper had a clear shot for 3 minutes he said. Per eyewitness that's the time Crooks was on the roof. Sniper can't take a shot without approval which did not come. That's because nobody had taken a shot at a presidential candidate in a long time. And, think about it. It's a Trump rally. Shooting the guy without a shot fired would have handed Dems raw meat.

When the shooter fired, it took ~0.6 second for the sniper to hear it. It took 0.15 second for the sniper bullet to hit Crooks head. Crooks was firing for 2 seconds. So in 1.25 seconds the sniper smoothly squeezed his trigger. That's decision, and finish squeeze.

Normally snipers take 2-6 seconds to pull a trigger. From these basic facts, we know that the sniper had Crooks targeted and had pulled his trigger part way.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

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Beth Moroney's avatar

Agreed.

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