BRILLIANT!!! I am a feminist - who rebelled against the repression of women in India society which in the 70s and 80s was very socially conservative -- but because I grew up in India, its social regression saved me from the madness of feminism here. THANKFULLY!
Thank you! I thought that there was something wrong with me that I couldn’t participate in hookup culture without it ruining me. I was made to feel like I was too clingy or too sensitive, that I wasn’t ready for a real relationship until I got over the need to connect with someone.
It’s just so completely backwards and manipulative to just coerce women into these kinds of toxic situations as if they were to grow from the experience.
Feminism changed in the 60s from intrinsic to extrinsic values and people are no longer being silent about the outcomes. We need to shift back to intrinsic values that support the spiritual health of women and men.
We have come full circle. Whether the author or the readers want to admit it, the proposed solutions are actually enshrined in biblical literature. Ignoring for many generations have actually hurt women (full disclosure - I have three daughters) and relationships. I appreciate the honesty in the article but the conclusions aren't new. Cheers
The sexual revolution has also messed with young men those who aren't aggressive or abusive. They're trying to figure out how to be good men in a world with sexually aggressive women. They're in a no win. I appreciate this honestly in this article.
That “matricidal impulse in liberal feminism” did, in fact, make my actual mother unwilling to “mother” me. She was so toxically bought-in on this liberal feminism that she doused me in those lies which led to misery. I doubt I’m alone. And this rising generation probably has even fewer mothers willing to do the right thing either…ironically in the name of virtue and “non judgement”
Dworkin's fellow leftist Herbert Marcuse planted the seed for the 70s version of a sexual revolution in One Dimensional Man, which the Frankfurt School luminary published when Dworkin was barely a teenager. His call for unfettered sexual indulgence was part of an overall program to "transform" human nature, one of Marxism's fondest and most indispensable fantasies. Dworkin ("all sex is rape") swallowed almost all of Marcuse's fantasies except this one. As such, there's very little reason to hold this poor, very unhappy lady in high esteem.
Wish I could repost this, but the picture is too pornographic.
The project is good, but the author doesn’t go nearly far enough. Her “advice to her daughter” seems to suggest that she wants to go back to the late 1960s, but we must return to the philosophical framework of our different natures as women and men and how that should work out practically in today’s world.
It is time. I'm 75 and graduated university in 1971. Note, I graduated high school in 67 so I am right on the cusp. I didn't even think of going to college because girls were getting married after high school. Besides the sexual culture changing, babies were now sent to daycare at 3mo ths old. How did we lose a God fearing culture? Feminism is a good start.
(Minus 0.05 for ending with an Andrea Dworkin quote, and another 0.05 for implying that there is not also a patricidal impulse — good fathers know to give the same advice she attributes to mothers, and feminism is at least as likely to encourage ignoring the dads as the moms.)
I used to scold my wife for allowing our daughters to watch Sex In The City. I knew instinctively that the shit I saw being peddled on that show was not empowering my daughters, but was rather, leading them down a dangerous path led by angry feminists; feminists who were getting back at men for men's apparent propensity to cheat. Take that you guys, we can be the unfaithful dogs that you can be was the message I was hearing. I also knew instinctively that this kind of message was the quintessential example of biting off your nose to spite your face. If male unfaithfulness is a problem that needs addressing, then why not talk about how we can teach young men to become more faithful. I think the worst thing that feminism did to women was to teach them that it was acceptable to spew hatred toward men as a solution to male misbehavior. And it was within our college gender studies classes where women were taught to lead with this kind of hatred. What should be taught in these classes is that we are all in this together and that it benefits all of us to learn how to engage in civil discussions related to gender issues. Instead, this us versus them template is used and look at where that has brought us! Just google "angry feminist" and you'll see that this kind of female anger is celebrated. Wow, teaching women to be rage filled is really helpful in this time of rage isn't it! God bless all Americans!
I am so relieved that other women and feminists are recognizing how incredibly damaging and exploitative our “women are equal to men.” We are equal in VALUE and we deserve EQUAL rights but we will never be EQUAL.
BRILLIANT!!! I am a feminist - who rebelled against the repression of women in India society which in the 70s and 80s was very socially conservative -- but because I grew up in India, its social regression saved me from the madness of feminism here. THANKFULLY!
Thank you! I thought that there was something wrong with me that I couldn’t participate in hookup culture without it ruining me. I was made to feel like I was too clingy or too sensitive, that I wasn’t ready for a real relationship until I got over the need to connect with someone.
It’s just so completely backwards and manipulative to just coerce women into these kinds of toxic situations as if they were to grow from the experience.
Feminism changed in the 60s from intrinsic to extrinsic values and people are no longer being silent about the outcomes. We need to shift back to intrinsic values that support the spiritual health of women and men.
We have come full circle. Whether the author or the readers want to admit it, the proposed solutions are actually enshrined in biblical literature. Ignoring for many generations have actually hurt women (full disclosure - I have three daughters) and relationships. I appreciate the honesty in the article but the conclusions aren't new. Cheers
The sexual revolution has also messed with young men those who aren't aggressive or abusive. They're trying to figure out how to be good men in a world with sexually aggressive women. They're in a no win. I appreciate this honestly in this article.
The best response to the so called sexual revolution is dating for marriage only and getting married at a younger rather than older age
That “matricidal impulse in liberal feminism” did, in fact, make my actual mother unwilling to “mother” me. She was so toxically bought-in on this liberal feminism that she doused me in those lies which led to misery. I doubt I’m alone. And this rising generation probably has even fewer mothers willing to do the right thing either…ironically in the name of virtue and “non judgement”
Oh brother, more clickbait. Is that all you people do at TFP?
Thanks for pointing out this Honestly episode from August 2023, I’m a subscriber and I’ve downloaded it to listen to tomorrow
Dworkin's fellow leftist Herbert Marcuse planted the seed for the 70s version of a sexual revolution in One Dimensional Man, which the Frankfurt School luminary published when Dworkin was barely a teenager. His call for unfettered sexual indulgence was part of an overall program to "transform" human nature, one of Marxism's fondest and most indispensable fantasies. Dworkin ("all sex is rape") swallowed almost all of Marcuse's fantasies except this one. As such, there's very little reason to hold this poor, very unhappy lady in high esteem.
Wish I could repost this, but the picture is too pornographic.
The project is good, but the author doesn’t go nearly far enough. Her “advice to her daughter” seems to suggest that she wants to go back to the late 1960s, but we must return to the philosophical framework of our different natures as women and men and how that should work out practically in today’s world.
I’ll write the response article if you’d like.
There is power in constraint
It is time. I'm 75 and graduated university in 1971. Note, I graduated high school in 67 so I am right on the cusp. I didn't even think of going to college because girls were getting married after high school. Besides the sexual culture changing, babies were now sent to daycare at 3mo ths old. How did we lose a God fearing culture? Feminism is a good start.
2.9 cheers!
(Minus 0.05 for ending with an Andrea Dworkin quote, and another 0.05 for implying that there is not also a patricidal impulse — good fathers know to give the same advice she attributes to mothers, and feminism is at least as likely to encourage ignoring the dads as the moms.)
I used to scold my wife for allowing our daughters to watch Sex In The City. I knew instinctively that the shit I saw being peddled on that show was not empowering my daughters, but was rather, leading them down a dangerous path led by angry feminists; feminists who were getting back at men for men's apparent propensity to cheat. Take that you guys, we can be the unfaithful dogs that you can be was the message I was hearing. I also knew instinctively that this kind of message was the quintessential example of biting off your nose to spite your face. If male unfaithfulness is a problem that needs addressing, then why not talk about how we can teach young men to become more faithful. I think the worst thing that feminism did to women was to teach them that it was acceptable to spew hatred toward men as a solution to male misbehavior. And it was within our college gender studies classes where women were taught to lead with this kind of hatred. What should be taught in these classes is that we are all in this together and that it benefits all of us to learn how to engage in civil discussions related to gender issues. Instead, this us versus them template is used and look at where that has brought us! Just google "angry feminist" and you'll see that this kind of female anger is celebrated. Wow, teaching women to be rage filled is really helpful in this time of rage isn't it! God bless all Americans!
From a non-feminist woman with a beautiful, non-feminist, civil engineer daughter, I could not agree more!
Use a search engine. Your ignorance is not my problem.
I am so relieved that other women and feminists are recognizing how incredibly damaging and exploitative our “women are equal to men.” We are equal in VALUE and we deserve EQUAL rights but we will never be EQUAL.