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But the issue if the article was trans kids, etc

I give the same amount of validity to opinions from others as they give to mine.

Yes, you are right. I scream at white "children" (undergrad & grad) about how they're all oppressors, then I take off 10 points from their final grade for reparations, demand everyone uses pronouns and mutilate their genitalia.

Yes....I used common sense, which how I figured out no one moved their entire family to Asia to get away from trans lunacy that just started being discussed mainstream in late 2021. Kinda like people discovered "illiberal" as a buzzword....which by the way doesn't mean "you don't give other opinions validity."

Now, does ANYONE on here have any data about how many kids are transitioning or interacting with these clinics? I would legitimately like to know.

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Wait, so you're lying when later you say you already knew but you were just making sure everyone did his own research? Because you're Comprof, of course. Ever the vigilant professor? You fork-tongued bloviator. You do make a really good pinata, though.

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Thanks for your comment. For those of us who need to stop this MADNESS NOW, check out these sites:

https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/

https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/

There's so much work to do. Ignore this guy.

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I just moved my family to Costa Rica to protect them from trans-lunacy and the first other family I met here was from the east coast doing the same thing.

People spend too much time being baited by your comments. But, it's now time for us to show you the door. We've all got work to do. Adios, sir.

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So now you're a Tico?

The surfing is great there. Can't wait to go back.

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We were planning on living here for one year. After the midterm results, we're not so sure. It's an amazing country.

I spend all day fighting against nonsense legislation in the U.S. My dad was a WWII vet (I'm the youngest of 13) and I think I have a duty to fight for the values so many people died for. Trying to embrace Pura Vida, but it's hard when the U.S. is collapsing before my eyes.

And, learning Spanish is harder than I remember from school. :)

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100 clinics did not appear overnight, this has been going on for a long time, it is only now that is coming to the surface . Brown U. prof’s data on “social contagion”

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Fascinating. Really.

You basicslly repeating what I'm saying. No one was talking about this or CRT until Matt Walsh and Chris Rufo started talking about it last year.

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Perhaps you have only been following this since late 2021. Also someone with young children would have seen the signs of it earlier.

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Whatever the number, it is too many. It is totally illogical and ridiculous to say that anyone is born in the wrong body. Maybe some who are mentally disturbed, but no normal person would ever say that. It has been exacerbated by social media and it has been so lucrative to the medical industrial complex and to big Pharma. I just hope we stop this insanity.

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It didn't start in 2021. According to the article, the uptick started in 2015. I noticed it personally about ten years ago, and started warning my children.

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Trans lunacy may not have been the only trigger. It could be the larger culture and the education system it has created.

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Not "may not," it "wasn't" - which was my point.

Yes, it is an epidemic.

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Not only is there a skyrocketing number of clinics, in other countries they are already starting to be closed. I suppose you haven't heard of the Tavistock debacle or of how some Scandinavian countries are stopping this barbarism.

Reuters has some data from Komodo Research through 2021. Based on insurance claims so doesn't include anything paid for out of pocket, and because of phrases like medical treatment of one form or another to "help alleviate their distress," and "After suppressing puberty, a child may pursue hormone treatments to initiate a puberty that aligns with their gender identity" assume extreme pro-transition bias. Results are tragic & market share of surgical treatment expected to more than double from $1.9 billion in 2021 to $5 billion by 2030.

One of the more fun factoids: "The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. Among teens, “top surgery” to remove breasts is more common. In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo’s data analysis of insurance claims. This tally does not include procedures that were paid for out of pocket." And I wonder what happens to incidence not specifically tied to a diagnosis, but that's just me.

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market

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That may be the most confusing and unintelligible collection of words I have ever read.

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Maybe take it up with reuters & grandview? I can't address your ability to comprehend.

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Good. So, 56 genital surgeries and 776 masectomies, some of which cases probably overlap/had both done.

See....that wasn't so hard, was it?

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Thanks again for your comment.

THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.

https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/

https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/

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Came upon a group the other day giving voice to detransitioning kids: youtube.com/@IndependentWomensForum, in particular the episodes of "Identity Crisis." Chloe Cole of course (who I hear is bringing a lawsuit against Kaiser) and another young woman, Prisha Mosley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utncd9-VxPg&ab_channel=PrishaMosley

That's her first upload & utterly heart-rending.

Prisha is articulating how your gender is affirmed...as long as it's the one they want you to affirm, because as a detransitioner she has been completely abandoned & ghosted by the trans community. Where there used to be love-bombing & hormones on tap, now she was actually stood up (after paying a fee) by a Plume.com healthcare provider when she was trying to get hormones to facilitate the painful aspects of her detransition. This is one ugly time in human history. I hope it is looked back on with deep shame.

As for Comprof, yes he's an asshole. Thanks very much, but occasionally I some violence to work off, & I don't play rugby.

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So you think it's some kind of medical "efficiency" that causes children to lose their genitals and their breasts & at the same time inflates the numbers? You are one sick, smug puppy.

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When did I say anything about "medical efficiency?" You're one dumb puppy.

Just wanted data on how many gender reassignment surgeries have been done. Seems to be 800.

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Stop it. You absolutely know that by conflating procedures you are making the case for "it's not as bad as everyone thinks." Everyone can see you lying because it's about as convincing as a bad comb-over.

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"Conflating procedures?"

You mean procedures like using pronouns, therapy, consultation, etc - that are all included under "gender affirming care?"

Lol. Don't be mad at me that the number is 775. THAT, unfortunately for you, is not a lie.

As confirmed by your colleagues. Which is exactly what I knew would happen.

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Probably understated, given the sources, and doesn't include 2022, increase during which time was not linear. Now, are you saying you're happy with that outcome?? These kids between 13 & 17. You're happy that the bodies of these children, & likely their ability to have children, is permanently destroyed by parents who are using them as hood ornaments? (the kids, not the genitals, though I wouldn't be surprised if some progressive mother who beat the astounding odds of more people on the planet to 1 against having 2 trans kids would be waving those kids' Bobbitted penises from her antenna).

This was a few keystrokes' worth of searching--the info is easy to find; for everyone but you, apparently. I mean, if you want a full review of the literature you're going to have to pay me in more than bullshit or do it yourself.

Here's another factoid from the same article: "A total of 17,683 patients, ages 6 through 17, with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis initiated either puberty blockers or hormones or both during the five-year period." Did you hear that? SIX through 17. If that's something that gets your approval you're way more malign than I thought, & that's saying a lot.

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Yeah, I heard that.

Wasn't talking about that though, was I?

Was talking/asking about surgeries, of which there have been aprox. 800

So, no Snarling Fifi. More than capable of looking it up. But wanted YOU to do it.

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"Does anyone have data on how many kids under 18 have gone through transition surgery or interacting with these clinics?" -Comprof2.0

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Yeah, and I have clarified on every single comment after that, "gender reassignment surgery" and have continued to do so since.

The number is 775.

Deal with it.

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Stop whining.

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Originally you just asked about transition

"Now, does ANYONE on here have any data about how many kids are transitioning or interacting with these clinics? I would legitimately like to know."

The the blockers and hormones have serious lifelong medical consequences (the "pause button" branding of blockers is an insidious lie), so it's not like hormones are no big deal for children as long as they haven't had their genitals removed.

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Transitioning as in surgery (i.e. gender re-assignment surgery), which I was more specific with in every subsequent post, but could have been more so initially - so the number appears to be 800.

Not sure why everyone is having a psychological meltdown about that.

As far as hormones, consultation, etc. that number appears to be 14k. So, if that's what their family wants to do, that's their choice.

Who would have thought this and CRT was all it took for people to suddenly be so concerned about American children?

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So easy why not have just done it yourself?

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Comprof is likely a petulant millennial that doesn't know how to reason, only how to troll and pretend he/she/it is engaged in a valid, serious exchange of ideas. Better to ignore him/her/it.

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Lol! Nah. Retiring in 8 years.

Yeah asking for accurate data isn't a serious exchange of ideas?

How about this?

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN ARCOSS AMERICA ARE BEING FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO UNDERGO GENTITAL MUTILATION IN A DEMOCRATIC PLOT TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!

Better?

Cause that's what passes as a valid, serious exchange of ideas around here and what you consider "knowing how to reason."

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Because I already knew there have been approx. 800 gender reassignment surgeries done.

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What a liar. Right up there with "my dog peed on it" & "I was just resting my eyes." You're pathetic.

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Lol!! Heard the real numbers long ago when Rogan looked it up on his podcast with Matt Walsh, where Walsh claimed "millions" of kids were on hormone blockers....when the real number is about 4,700.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Md4sGY91bM0

Don't be mad that number is statisically insignificant.

Think about it....why would I ask for data if the genital mutilation numbers were going to be in the hundreds of thousands, as I'm sure YOU thought it was going to be.

I would say you should have seen this play coming, but you're not that smart.

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Thanks again for your comment.

THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG CHILDREN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.

https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/

https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/

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Again, if "Comprof"is "the other side," then we may have a shot at prevailing in this debate--and saving the lives of many many children in the process.

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Not the "other side" - just wanted to know how many gender reassignment surgeries have been done.

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Hilarious that you anchored your entire bad-faith position on the idea that this just started last year and now you are demanding data.

You, as a simpleton hack, are still in the “it’s not happening” phase. I will let you know when it is time to switch over to “it’s good that it’s happening”.

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Don’t engage Kevin!

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The Good News is that if "Comprof" represents "the other side," than our side--the side of justice and righteousness--will prevail.

If they can't call you a "transphobe," they got nothin.'

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I don’t know. The Bible says they win and there’s an apocalypse. I’ve got that one plague with weird looking grasshoppers coming from a lab where they are trying to make insect food with gain of function for more protein and the insects escape and etc etc etc

😂😂😵‍💫😵‍💫

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The author said there were 100 such clinics. We already know that there are such clinics run by hospitals associated with major universities because they publicly announced it. Maybe someone would know if we didn't have an administration who has a comedic admiral in a dress. At least Klinger was only a corporal. And, fictional, to boot.

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Check out this link for financial information about the sex reassignment industry. It lists some of the big players.

https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market

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Wow, thank you! - LM

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Here's one from PITT that charts the child gender clinics in the US:

https://pitt.substack.com/p/why-is-this-happening-and-who-can

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Yeah, back in the day, "Corporal Klinger" was a joke...now he(?) is running our health care system...guess the joke is on the rest of us now.

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"Anyone who raised doubts ran the risk of being called a transphobe. "

Name calling is the first line of defense a leftist uses. It is designed to stifle any debate and the reason they don't want debate is because they have no solid ground to stand on and if you push them for a reasonable response they change the subject and leave in a self righteous huff.

Like comprof, they have this smug, superior attitude that they are intellectually better than the unwashed masses. Comprof comes off as "I'm an educated (inarticulate) college professor (a claim I dispute). How dare you question me, you uneducated boob. Plus, I am a sensitive, caring liberal and you are a NAZI, uncaring, racist, uneducated, brutal dolt. How dare you question me!"

Bruce, do you think I have summed this up, nailed it?

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Polecat, you well know that if the Left can't namecall, it can't say anything at all.

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Come on, this guy thinks a snarky remark and "LOL" is a valid answer to all questions. He thinks anal extrapolation is a researched, valid answer.

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I already know how many clinics, but that wasn't the question was it?

There's probably at least 100 auto repair shops, too.

Does anyone have data on how many kids under 18 have gone through transition surgery or interacting with these clinics?

Yeah...don't think someone wearing a dress is inhibiting the collection of this data.

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Thanks again for your comment.

THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.

https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/

https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/

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Hey genius, go look it up yourself, it's all out there. No one here is obligated to give you the data you demand -- as if that will stop your juvenile commenting anyway.

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Lol. Already knew the answer, Linda.

775 gender reassignment surgeries.

However, I knew it woud be Igood for people like YOU to look that information up, though. Which is what a "genius" does.

Why is everyone on here having a meltdown about one, simple question?!

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O my god. Seriously? I did it "for your own good"? Sad thing when you have to hide idiocy with paternalism. You don't actually "have" a bad comb-over, do you, Comprof? Because I think it's being linguistically expressed.

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Thanks again for your comment.

THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.

https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/

https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/

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You can find plenty of data on this in the cass report on the UK, as a starting point - the US practices are more liberal and less tracked but no reason to think they're wildly different.. if anything probably worse.

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See above.

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"anyone have data on how many kids under 18 have gone through transition surgery or interacting with these clinics?"

Isn't that why we have a government? But when the government is in the hands of lunatics supporting this lunacy, do you really expect them to investigate it? Let alone end the madness?

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The same government that has people wearing face masks for 3 years without performing ONE RCT on their efficacy/risks? Their 30,000 employees (NIH & CDC) and $62 billion dollar budget obviously have more pressing concerns to study during a global pandemic. Like the sex habits of pigeons doing cocaine...

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Well, Bruce....seems like one of your colleagues found the non-existent information.

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Here's some more non-existent information from a lunatic fringe, so-called media org called Reuters:

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

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Interesting. One of your colleagues provided data there were 775 transition surgeries.

This articles talks about diagnosis, etc. Also, it defines "gender affirming care" as including using a particular pronoun.

So, guess no one really knows. Reuters is the media btw- which is fake.

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I don't have colleagues here. If I happen to share opinions with some individuals, that's nice. If not, I don't care.

Skepticism is not a bad thing. But that doesn't mean "no one really knows" anything. However, if you're looking for others to spoon-feed you everything you claim to want to know, in an area that is deliberately obfuscated by ideologues, jargon, and medical and political grifters (see the article we're both commenting on), then good luck to you. Still, there's a great deal to learn if one actually cares.

On the off-chance that you have an iota of sincere interest in this topic, here are a couple of sources that focus on statistics, research and science. I won't be responding to you again.

The Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine - https://segm.org/

Transgender Trend (UK) - https://www.transgendertrend.com/

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Nobody here is a "colleague." We're all independent voices. Plus the information was assembled by a private group. Not our useless government Which, rather than protecting children, is mutilating them. Bloody minded fiends.

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1. Yes, you are.

2. Colleagues can still have independent voices.

I don't care about this issue or keep up with, so was just curious about the number. Which seems to have caused you and your colleagues to have a come-apart.

Turns out is seems to be about 775. There. Wasn't that hard, was it?

Now, how is "the government" mutilating children exactly?

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You're hopeless.

If you don't think that mastectomies and castration are mutilating children then even your humanity is suspect. And as to your intellect, it's dispositive.

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And a waste of time...

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I know....some people just won't join a cult.

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to Comprof 2.0

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Not arguing about mutilation, etc. So, might want to reserve commentary about people's intellect when you're strawmaning.

Just curious has to how "the government" is involved.

It is interesting though how all you "independent voices" on this comment board all manage to say/believe the exact same things.

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I think it's time to stop paying for this shit show.

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It's known as "sanity," bro.

Try it sometime.

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Lol. No. It's known as a "cult/echo chamber," bro.

Now....for the THIRD TIME....how exactly is "the government" involved?

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