My friend's bio daughter has been on this track since she was 12; she'll be 18 in March. Parents only allow her to bind, nothing else. She will thank them a million times over in a few more years.
This has been going on a long, long time......and you know it.
Correction: adopted daughter; my friend is the adoptive parent.
If a psychologist would have actually met with her to find out what was really going on in the 6th grade rather than just affirm these feelings, she may have revealed that her biological mother (who she has an open adoption relationship with) went on to get married and has three sons. How do we know that deep in her subconscious she might think she would have been kept by her biological mother if she had been born a boy. We may never know now.
Maybe you just started discussing it last year, but it was being discussed well before that. Abigail Shrier's book, Irreversible Damage, was published in 2020, and obviously, all her concern about the issue and research came from years before that.
I guess your ideological blinders prevented you from reading further in Elizabeth's post, to wit: "and obviously, all her concern about the issue and research came from years before that."
Oh, yes....I'm sure SHE was concerned...but YOU weren't and neither were the majority of people until last year. So, give me break that this has been something on the major cultural radar until recently.
If it weren't for Matt Walsh and Christopher Rufo, 99% of people wouldn't even know about all the stuff they're told to be concerned about.
So, I guess YOUR ideological blinders prevent you from seeing basic reality.
Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together. Here are some websites to get started. This guy is a complete distraction.
This "stuff" has been discussed for years. Good friends of ours have been watching helplessly as their nut-job daughter-in-law (a therapist no less!) has convinced her daughter (adopted) since she was 8 years old that she's a boy. Last year she moved into hormonal treatments, and I'm sure she will soon be pushing for surgery any day now that the girl (oops, boy!) is 13. All this started 5 years ago, not "last year". Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) was even at that time performing surgeries, so you have no idea what you're talking about with your made-up timeline.
The lunacy has been going on a long time in many forms.
Look at you: you daily demonstrate an utterly illiberal inability to recognize the validity of dissenting views, and with your handle it seems likely you are exposing our children to your bad ideas somewhere.
Common sense is not complicated. What is complicated is rationalizing obvious stupidity.
I give the same amount of validity to opinions from others as they give to mine.
Yes, you are right. I scream at white "children" (undergrad & grad) about how they're all oppressors, then I take off 10 points from their final grade for reparations, demand everyone uses pronouns and mutilate their genitalia.
Yes....I used common sense, which how I figured out no one moved their entire family to Asia to get away from trans lunacy that just started being discussed mainstream in late 2021. Kinda like people discovered "illiberal" as a buzzword....which by the way doesn't mean "you don't give other opinions validity."
Now, does ANYONE on here have any data about how many kids are transitioning or interacting with these clinics? I would legitimately like to know.
Wait, so you're lying when later you say you already knew but you were just making sure everyone did his own research? Because you're Comprof, of course. Ever the vigilant professor? You fork-tongued bloviator. You do make a really good pinata, though.
I just moved my family to Costa Rica to protect them from trans-lunacy and the first other family I met here was from the east coast doing the same thing.
People spend too much time being baited by your comments. But, it's now time for us to show you the door. We've all got work to do. Adios, sir.
We were planning on living here for one year. After the midterm results, we're not so sure. It's an amazing country.
I spend all day fighting against nonsense legislation in the U.S. My dad was a WWII vet (I'm the youngest of 13) and I think I have a duty to fight for the values so many people died for. Trying to embrace Pura Vida, but it's hard when the U.S. is collapsing before my eyes.
And, learning Spanish is harder than I remember from school. :)
100 clinics did not appear overnight, this has been going on for a long time, it is only now that is coming to the surface . Brown U. prof’s data on “social contagion”
Whatever the number, it is too many. It is totally illogical and ridiculous to say that anyone is born in the wrong body. Maybe some who are mentally disturbed, but no normal person would ever say that. It has been exacerbated by social media and it has been so lucrative to the medical industrial complex and to big Pharma. I just hope we stop this insanity.
It didn't start in 2021. According to the article, the uptick started in 2015. I noticed it personally about ten years ago, and started warning my children.
Not only is there a skyrocketing number of clinics, in other countries they are already starting to be closed. I suppose you haven't heard of the Tavistock debacle or of how some Scandinavian countries are stopping this barbarism.
Reuters has some data from Komodo Research through 2021. Based on insurance claims so doesn't include anything paid for out of pocket, and because of phrases like medical treatment of one form or another to "help alleviate their distress," and "After suppressing puberty, a child may pursue hormone treatments to initiate a puberty that aligns with their gender identity" assume extreme pro-transition bias. Results are tragic & market share of surgical treatment expected to more than double from $1.9 billion in 2021 to $5 billion by 2030.
One of the more fun factoids: "The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. Among teens, “top surgery” to remove breasts is more common. In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo’s data analysis of insurance claims. This tally does not include procedures that were paid for out of pocket." And I wonder what happens to incidence not specifically tied to a diagnosis, but that's just me.
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
Prisha is articulating how your gender is affirmed...as long as it's the one they want you to affirm, because as a detransitioner she has been completely abandoned & ghosted by the trans community. Where there used to be love-bombing & hormones on tap, now she was actually stood up (after paying a fee) by a Plume.com healthcare provider when she was trying to get hormones to facilitate the painful aspects of her detransition. This is one ugly time in human history. I hope it is looked back on with deep shame.
As for Comprof, yes he's an asshole. Thanks very much, but occasionally I some violence to work off, & I don't play rugby.
So you think it's some kind of medical "efficiency" that causes children to lose their genitals and their breasts & at the same time inflates the numbers? You are one sick, smug puppy.
Stop it. You absolutely know that by conflating procedures you are making the case for "it's not as bad as everyone thinks." Everyone can see you lying because it's about as convincing as a bad comb-over.
Probably understated, given the sources, and doesn't include 2022, increase during which time was not linear. Now, are you saying you're happy with that outcome?? These kids between 13 & 17. You're happy that the bodies of these children, & likely their ability to have children, is permanently destroyed by parents who are using them as hood ornaments? (the kids, not the genitals, though I wouldn't be surprised if some progressive mother who beat the astounding odds of more people on the planet to 1 against having 2 trans kids would be waving those kids' Bobbitted penises from her antenna).
This was a few keystrokes' worth of searching--the info is easy to find; for everyone but you, apparently. I mean, if you want a full review of the literature you're going to have to pay me in more than bullshit or do it yourself.
Here's another factoid from the same article: "A total of 17,683 patients, ages 6 through 17, with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis initiated either puberty blockers or hormones or both during the five-year period." Did you hear that? SIX through 17. If that's something that gets your approval you're way more malign than I thought, & that's saying a lot.
"Now, does ANYONE on here have any data about how many kids are transitioning or interacting with these clinics? I would legitimately like to know."
The the blockers and hormones have serious lifelong medical consequences (the "pause button" branding of blockers is an insidious lie), so it's not like hormones are no big deal for children as long as they haven't had their genitals removed.
Transitioning as in surgery (i.e. gender re-assignment surgery), which I was more specific with in every subsequent post, but could have been more so initially - so the number appears to be 800.
Not sure why everyone is having a psychological meltdown about that.
As far as hormones, consultation, etc. that number appears to be 14k. So, if that's what their family wants to do, that's their choice.
Who would have thought this and CRT was all it took for people to suddenly be so concerned about American children?
Comprof is likely a petulant millennial that doesn't know how to reason, only how to troll and pretend he/she/it is engaged in a valid, serious exchange of ideas. Better to ignore him/her/it.
Yeah asking for accurate data isn't a serious exchange of ideas?
How about this?
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN ARCOSS AMERICA ARE BEING FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO UNDERGO GENTITAL MUTILATION IN A DEMOCRATIC PLOT TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!
Better?
Cause that's what passes as a valid, serious exchange of ideas around here and what you consider "knowing how to reason."
Lol!! Heard the real numbers long ago when Rogan looked it up on his podcast with Matt Walsh, where Walsh claimed "millions" of kids were on hormone blockers....when the real number is about 4,700.
Don't be mad that number is statisically insignificant.
Think about it....why would I ask for data if the genital mutilation numbers were going to be in the hundreds of thousands, as I'm sure YOU thought it was going to be.
I would say you should have seen this play coming, but you're not that smart.
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG CHILDREN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
Again, if "Comprof"is "the other side," then we may have a shot at prevailing in this debate--and saving the lives of many many children in the process.
Hilarious that you anchored your entire bad-faith position on the idea that this just started last year and now you are demanding data.
You, as a simpleton hack, are still in the “it’s not happening” phase. I will let you know when it is time to switch over to “it’s good that it’s happening”.
I don’t know. The Bible says they win and there’s an apocalypse. I’ve got that one plague with weird looking grasshoppers coming from a lab where they are trying to make insect food with gain of function for more protein and the insects escape and etc etc etc
The author said there were 100 such clinics. We already know that there are such clinics run by hospitals associated with major universities because they publicly announced it. Maybe someone would know if we didn't have an administration who has a comedic admiral in a dress. At least Klinger was only a corporal. And, fictional, to boot.
"Anyone who raised doubts ran the risk of being called a transphobe. "
Name calling is the first line of defense a leftist uses. It is designed to stifle any debate and the reason they don't want debate is because they have no solid ground to stand on and if you push them for a reasonable response they change the subject and leave in a self righteous huff.
Like comprof, they have this smug, superior attitude that they are intellectually better than the unwashed masses. Comprof comes off as "I'm an educated (inarticulate) college professor (a claim I dispute). How dare you question me, you uneducated boob. Plus, I am a sensitive, caring liberal and you are a NAZI, uncaring, racist, uneducated, brutal dolt. How dare you question me!"
Bruce, do you think I have summed this up, nailed it?
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
Hey genius, go look it up yourself, it's all out there. No one here is obligated to give you the data you demand -- as if that will stop your juvenile commenting anyway.
O my god. Seriously? I did it "for your own good"? Sad thing when you have to hide idiocy with paternalism. You don't actually "have" a bad comb-over, do you, Comprof? Because I think it's being linguistically expressed.
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
You can find plenty of data on this in the cass report on the UK, as a starting point - the US practices are more liberal and less tracked but no reason to think they're wildly different.. if anything probably worse.
"anyone have data on how many kids under 18 have gone through transition surgery or interacting with these clinics?"
Isn't that why we have a government? But when the government is in the hands of lunatics supporting this lunacy, do you really expect them to investigate it? Let alone end the madness?
The same government that has people wearing face masks for 3 years without performing ONE RCT on their efficacy/risks? Their 30,000 employees (NIH & CDC) and $62 billion dollar budget obviously have more pressing concerns to study during a global pandemic. Like the sex habits of pigeons doing cocaine...
I don't have colleagues here. If I happen to share opinions with some individuals, that's nice. If not, I don't care.
Skepticism is not a bad thing. But that doesn't mean "no one really knows" anything. However, if you're looking for others to spoon-feed you everything you claim to want to know, in an area that is deliberately obfuscated by ideologues, jargon, and medical and political grifters (see the article we're both commenting on), then good luck to you. Still, there's a great deal to learn if one actually cares.
On the off-chance that you have an iota of sincere interest in this topic, here are a couple of sources that focus on statistics, research and science. I won't be responding to you again.
Nobody here is a "colleague." We're all independent voices. Plus the information was assembled by a private group. Not our useless government Which, rather than protecting children, is mutilating them. Bloody minded fiends.
I don't care about this issue or keep up with, so was just curious about the number. Which seems to have caused you and your colleagues to have a come-apart.
Turns out is seems to be about 775. There. Wasn't that hard, was it?
Now, how is "the government" mutilating children exactly?
If you don't think that mastectomies and castration are mutilating children then even your humanity is suspect. And as to your intellect, it's dispositive.
My daughter and her husband have asked that their kids’ personal information be limited. I never post pictures of them anywhere. I don’t use their names or specifics about their location.
The eldest grandchild is in elementary school. The youngest is a toddler. They left the US when the eldest was three.
Fishing has a lot of aspects: sometimes the most effective way for a lazy fisherman who doesn't feel like doing his homework is trolling. Rather than do the work of studying his game, the lazy fisherman just hangs some bait on his hook and drives his boat and see who bites. It's a very lazy way to fish but sometimes pretty effective. The only way to discourage such a fisherman is for fish not to bite.
I never said they moved solely because of the trans lunacy. I said that the trans lunacy coupled with the erosion of parental control over their progeny in multiple fora is one of the primary reasons they’ve decided to remain outside the country.
See: CA and WA.
So yes this subject absolutely is a major factor in their family calculus regarding whether and when to return.
If I had children that age, I would homeschool or move, if possible to a country where this is not happening. Who wants to see their children destroyed?
Seriously Comprof2.0, if your intent here is to convince anyone of anything other than that you are a fool, you are failing. In fact, you are drumming up more and more support for those you badger.
"The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. Among teens, “top surgery” to remove breasts is more common. In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo’s data analysis of insurance claims. This tally does not include procedures that were paid for out of pocket."
"At least 14,726 minors started hormone treatment with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2017 through 2021"
I think it would be rather difficult to find that number. There are hundreds of these so-called gender affirming clinics in this country and in the UK, Scotland, etc. I doubt that they want to figures no anyway.
I don't consider the question foolish, I consider you foolish for badgering people endlessly with potshot stupidities. As for your question, what's interesting is that you do not seem to see that the difficulty in getting exact numbers to answer that question is itself so totally condemning of this gender surgery disgrace. It is not on the people here to give you those numbers. It is the profit-hungry parasites doing the surgery who should answer fully and honestly all questions about it. Do you ask them and badger them? Maybe you should.
Why would anyone who has any interest in the welfare of children support their mutation?
A young woman who loses her breasts to this lunacy can never know the joy of feeding her infant! And yet , one of the insane doctors ( whose license should have been revoked) said something to the effect of” if you want to get your breasts back, you can”!!
These are truly evil people who do this to young girls or young boys. Obviously those youngsters have mental problems that need to be addressed, but not was surgical or hormonal.” Treatments”!
She did not say that the family moved to Asia to escape such lunacy. She said "My daughter and SIL are currently raising [their children] in Asia to keep them away from this lunacy." I assumed this to mean that her daughter and SIL had been living in Asia for some time (most likely because one or both of them had a job there) and that this lunacy (and, I would think, all the CRT and other lunacy in today's US schools) was a reason that they had decided not to return to the US at this time. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. My husband's job took us to several countries. Most expat kids did quite well in US or international schools.
As I would have thought obvious, the problems are systemic lunacy, stupidity, and disingenuousness, and the rush to destroy children in the name of protecting them is just the latest symptom.
And once the data is clear much of this was a mistake and irreversibly harmful, what will those currently pushing it do? THEY WILL LIE ABOUT IT, then find some new reason to attack psychologically healthy people in the name of an issue thry created with lies, half truths, willful distortions, and coordinated social violence that makes it potentially costly to oppose them, no matter how stupid the claims being made.
There is certainly room in the middle, but nit where abusive lunatics are concerned.
TMI. Sorry.
Lol. TMI. Yeah....because they moved way before all this trans/kids trans reeassignment stuff all started being discussed last year.
My friend's bio daughter has been on this track since she was 12; she'll be 18 in March. Parents only allow her to bind, nothing else. She will thank them a million times over in a few more years.
This has been going on a long, long time......and you know it.
Correction: adopted daughter; my friend is the adoptive parent.
If a psychologist would have actually met with her to find out what was really going on in the 6th grade rather than just affirm these feelings, she may have revealed that her biological mother (who she has an open adoption relationship with) went on to get married and has three sons. How do we know that deep in her subconscious she might think she would have been kept by her biological mother if she had been born a boy. We may never know now.
Intelligent people are capable of foresight.
No wonder I never see anything coming :-)
That I do not believe.
Aw! Thanks, Lynne :-)
Maybe you just started discussing it last year, but it was being discussed well before that. Abigail Shrier's book, Irreversible Damage, was published in 2020, and obviously, all her concern about the issue and research came from years before that.
2020? Man....that's a long time ago.
I guess your ideological blinders prevented you from reading further in Elizabeth's post, to wit: "and obviously, all her concern about the issue and research came from years before that."
Oh, yes....I'm sure SHE was concerned...but YOU weren't and neither were the majority of people until last year. So, give me break that this has been something on the major cultural radar until recently.
If it weren't for Matt Walsh and Christopher Rufo, 99% of people wouldn't even know about all the stuff they're told to be concerned about.
So, I guess YOUR ideological blinders prevent you from seeing basic reality.
Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together. Here are some websites to get started. This guy is a complete distraction.
https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/
https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/
It is a book very well worth reading. And I’m sure since that time there have been many more children who have been abused in this way.
This "stuff" has been discussed for years. Good friends of ours have been watching helplessly as their nut-job daughter-in-law (a therapist no less!) has convinced her daughter (adopted) since she was 8 years old that she's a boy. Last year she moved into hormonal treatments, and I'm sure she will soon be pushing for surgery any day now that the girl (oops, boy!) is 13. All this started 5 years ago, not "last year". Children's Hospital of Philadelphia (CHOP) was even at that time performing surgeries, so you have no idea what you're talking about with your made-up timeline.
The lunacy has been going on a long time in many forms.
Look at you: you daily demonstrate an utterly illiberal inability to recognize the validity of dissenting views, and with your handle it seems likely you are exposing our children to your bad ideas somewhere.
Common sense is not complicated. What is complicated is rationalizing obvious stupidity.
Your post has summed up this troll perfectly Thanks Barry!
Lol. Me asking how many kids have undergone gender reassignment surgery is trolling. Everyone has a psychiatric meltdown.
You people are pathetic.
Buh bye.
But the issue if the article was trans kids, etc
I give the same amount of validity to opinions from others as they give to mine.
Yes, you are right. I scream at white "children" (undergrad & grad) about how they're all oppressors, then I take off 10 points from their final grade for reparations, demand everyone uses pronouns and mutilate their genitalia.
Yes....I used common sense, which how I figured out no one moved their entire family to Asia to get away from trans lunacy that just started being discussed mainstream in late 2021. Kinda like people discovered "illiberal" as a buzzword....which by the way doesn't mean "you don't give other opinions validity."
Now, does ANYONE on here have any data about how many kids are transitioning or interacting with these clinics? I would legitimately like to know.
Wait, so you're lying when later you say you already knew but you were just making sure everyone did his own research? Because you're Comprof, of course. Ever the vigilant professor? You fork-tongued bloviator. You do make a really good pinata, though.
Thanks for your comment. For those of us who need to stop this MADNESS NOW, check out these sites:
https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/
https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/
There's so much work to do. Ignore this guy.
Read this....think it helps answer your question.
https://quillette.com/2023/02/10/social-contagion-and-transgender-identities/
I just moved my family to Costa Rica to protect them from trans-lunacy and the first other family I met here was from the east coast doing the same thing.
People spend too much time being baited by your comments. But, it's now time for us to show you the door. We've all got work to do. Adios, sir.
So now you're a Tico?
The surfing is great there. Can't wait to go back.
We were planning on living here for one year. After the midterm results, we're not so sure. It's an amazing country.
I spend all day fighting against nonsense legislation in the U.S. My dad was a WWII vet (I'm the youngest of 13) and I think I have a duty to fight for the values so many people died for. Trying to embrace Pura Vida, but it's hard when the U.S. is collapsing before my eyes.
And, learning Spanish is harder than I remember from school. :)
100 clinics did not appear overnight, this has been going on for a long time, it is only now that is coming to the surface . Brown U. prof’s data on “social contagion”
Fascinating. Really.
You basicslly repeating what I'm saying. No one was talking about this or CRT until Matt Walsh and Chris Rufo started talking about it last year.
Perhaps you have only been following this since late 2021. Also someone with young children would have seen the signs of it earlier.
Whatever the number, it is too many. It is totally illogical and ridiculous to say that anyone is born in the wrong body. Maybe some who are mentally disturbed, but no normal person would ever say that. It has been exacerbated by social media and it has been so lucrative to the medical industrial complex and to big Pharma. I just hope we stop this insanity.
It didn't start in 2021. According to the article, the uptick started in 2015. I noticed it personally about ten years ago, and started warning my children.
Trans lunacy may not have been the only trigger. It could be the larger culture and the education system it has created.
Not "may not," it "wasn't" - which was my point.
Yes, it is an epidemic.
Not only is there a skyrocketing number of clinics, in other countries they are already starting to be closed. I suppose you haven't heard of the Tavistock debacle or of how some Scandinavian countries are stopping this barbarism.
Reuters has some data from Komodo Research through 2021. Based on insurance claims so doesn't include anything paid for out of pocket, and because of phrases like medical treatment of one form or another to "help alleviate their distress," and "After suppressing puberty, a child may pursue hormone treatments to initiate a puberty that aligns with their gender identity" assume extreme pro-transition bias. Results are tragic & market share of surgical treatment expected to more than double from $1.9 billion in 2021 to $5 billion by 2030.
One of the more fun factoids: "The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. Among teens, “top surgery” to remove breasts is more common. In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo’s data analysis of insurance claims. This tally does not include procedures that were paid for out of pocket." And I wonder what happens to incidence not specifically tied to a diagnosis, but that's just me.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market
That may be the most confusing and unintelligible collection of words I have ever read.
Maybe take it up with reuters & grandview? I can't address your ability to comprehend.
Good. So, 56 genital surgeries and 776 masectomies, some of which cases probably overlap/had both done.
See....that wasn't so hard, was it?
Thanks again for your comment.
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/
https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/
Came upon a group the other day giving voice to detransitioning kids: youtube.com/@IndependentWomensForum, in particular the episodes of "Identity Crisis." Chloe Cole of course (who I hear is bringing a lawsuit against Kaiser) and another young woman, Prisha Mosley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utncd9-VxPg&ab_channel=PrishaMosley
That's her first upload & utterly heart-rending.
Prisha is articulating how your gender is affirmed...as long as it's the one they want you to affirm, because as a detransitioner she has been completely abandoned & ghosted by the trans community. Where there used to be love-bombing & hormones on tap, now she was actually stood up (after paying a fee) by a Plume.com healthcare provider when she was trying to get hormones to facilitate the painful aspects of her detransition. This is one ugly time in human history. I hope it is looked back on with deep shame.
As for Comprof, yes he's an asshole. Thanks very much, but occasionally I some violence to work off, & I don't play rugby.
So you think it's some kind of medical "efficiency" that causes children to lose their genitals and their breasts & at the same time inflates the numbers? You are one sick, smug puppy.
When did I say anything about "medical efficiency?" You're one dumb puppy.
Just wanted data on how many gender reassignment surgeries have been done. Seems to be 800.
Stop it. You absolutely know that by conflating procedures you are making the case for "it's not as bad as everyone thinks." Everyone can see you lying because it's about as convincing as a bad comb-over.
"Conflating procedures?"
You mean procedures like using pronouns, therapy, consultation, etc - that are all included under "gender affirming care?"
Lol. Don't be mad at me that the number is 775. THAT, unfortunately for you, is not a lie.
As confirmed by your colleagues. Which is exactly what I knew would happen.
Probably understated, given the sources, and doesn't include 2022, increase during which time was not linear. Now, are you saying you're happy with that outcome?? These kids between 13 & 17. You're happy that the bodies of these children, & likely their ability to have children, is permanently destroyed by parents who are using them as hood ornaments? (the kids, not the genitals, though I wouldn't be surprised if some progressive mother who beat the astounding odds of more people on the planet to 1 against having 2 trans kids would be waving those kids' Bobbitted penises from her antenna).
This was a few keystrokes' worth of searching--the info is easy to find; for everyone but you, apparently. I mean, if you want a full review of the literature you're going to have to pay me in more than bullshit or do it yourself.
Here's another factoid from the same article: "A total of 17,683 patients, ages 6 through 17, with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis initiated either puberty blockers or hormones or both during the five-year period." Did you hear that? SIX through 17. If that's something that gets your approval you're way more malign than I thought, & that's saying a lot.
Yeah, I heard that.
Wasn't talking about that though, was I?
Was talking/asking about surgeries, of which there have been aprox. 800
So, no Snarling Fifi. More than capable of looking it up. But wanted YOU to do it.
"Does anyone have data on how many kids under 18 have gone through transition surgery or interacting with these clinics?" -Comprof2.0
Yeah, and I have clarified on every single comment after that, "gender reassignment surgery" and have continued to do so since.
The number is 775.
Deal with it.
Stop whining.
Originally you just asked about transition
"Now, does ANYONE on here have any data about how many kids are transitioning or interacting with these clinics? I would legitimately like to know."
The the blockers and hormones have serious lifelong medical consequences (the "pause button" branding of blockers is an insidious lie), so it's not like hormones are no big deal for children as long as they haven't had their genitals removed.
Transitioning as in surgery (i.e. gender re-assignment surgery), which I was more specific with in every subsequent post, but could have been more so initially - so the number appears to be 800.
Not sure why everyone is having a psychological meltdown about that.
As far as hormones, consultation, etc. that number appears to be 14k. So, if that's what their family wants to do, that's their choice.
Who would have thought this and CRT was all it took for people to suddenly be so concerned about American children?
So easy why not have just done it yourself?
Comprof is likely a petulant millennial that doesn't know how to reason, only how to troll and pretend he/she/it is engaged in a valid, serious exchange of ideas. Better to ignore him/her/it.
Lol! Nah. Retiring in 8 years.
Yeah asking for accurate data isn't a serious exchange of ideas?
How about this?
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF CHILDREN ARCOSS AMERICA ARE BEING FORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT TO UNDERGO GENTITAL MUTILATION IN A DEMOCRATIC PLOT TO DESTROY AMERICA!!!
Better?
Cause that's what passes as a valid, serious exchange of ideas around here and what you consider "knowing how to reason."
Because I already knew there have been approx. 800 gender reassignment surgeries done.
What a liar. Right up there with "my dog peed on it" & "I was just resting my eyes." You're pathetic.
Lol!! Heard the real numbers long ago when Rogan looked it up on his podcast with Matt Walsh, where Walsh claimed "millions" of kids were on hormone blockers....when the real number is about 4,700.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Md4sGY91bM0
Don't be mad that number is statisically insignificant.
Think about it....why would I ask for data if the genital mutilation numbers were going to be in the hundreds of thousands, as I'm sure YOU thought it was going to be.
I would say you should have seen this play coming, but you're not that smart.
Thanks again for your comment.
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG CHILDREN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/
https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/
Again, if "Comprof"is "the other side," then we may have a shot at prevailing in this debate--and saving the lives of many many children in the process.
Not the "other side" - just wanted to know how many gender reassignment surgeries have been done.
Hilarious that you anchored your entire bad-faith position on the idea that this just started last year and now you are demanding data.
You, as a simpleton hack, are still in the “it’s not happening” phase. I will let you know when it is time to switch over to “it’s good that it’s happening”.
Don’t engage Kevin!
The Good News is that if "Comprof" represents "the other side," than our side--the side of justice and righteousness--will prevail.
If they can't call you a "transphobe," they got nothin.'
I don’t know. The Bible says they win and there’s an apocalypse. I’ve got that one plague with weird looking grasshoppers coming from a lab where they are trying to make insect food with gain of function for more protein and the insects escape and etc etc etc
😂😂😵💫😵💫
The author said there were 100 such clinics. We already know that there are such clinics run by hospitals associated with major universities because they publicly announced it. Maybe someone would know if we didn't have an administration who has a comedic admiral in a dress. At least Klinger was only a corporal. And, fictional, to boot.
Check out this link for financial information about the sex reassignment industry. It lists some of the big players.
https://www.grandviewresearch.com/industry-analysis/us-sex-reassignment-surgery-market
Wow, thank you! - LM
Here's one from PITT that charts the child gender clinics in the US:
https://pitt.substack.com/p/why-is-this-happening-and-who-can
Yeah, back in the day, "Corporal Klinger" was a joke...now he(?) is running our health care system...guess the joke is on the rest of us now.
"Anyone who raised doubts ran the risk of being called a transphobe. "
Name calling is the first line of defense a leftist uses. It is designed to stifle any debate and the reason they don't want debate is because they have no solid ground to stand on and if you push them for a reasonable response they change the subject and leave in a self righteous huff.
Like comprof, they have this smug, superior attitude that they are intellectually better than the unwashed masses. Comprof comes off as "I'm an educated (inarticulate) college professor (a claim I dispute). How dare you question me, you uneducated boob. Plus, I am a sensitive, caring liberal and you are a NAZI, uncaring, racist, uneducated, brutal dolt. How dare you question me!"
Bruce, do you think I have summed this up, nailed it?
Polecat, you well know that if the Left can't namecall, it can't say anything at all.
How true.
Come on, this guy thinks a snarky remark and "LOL" is a valid answer to all questions. He thinks anal extrapolation is a researched, valid answer.
I already know how many clinics, but that wasn't the question was it?
There's probably at least 100 auto repair shops, too.
Does anyone have data on how many kids under 18 have gone through transition surgery or interacting with these clinics?
Yeah...don't think someone wearing a dress is inhibiting the collection of this data.
Thanks again for your comment.
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/
https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/
Hey genius, go look it up yourself, it's all out there. No one here is obligated to give you the data you demand -- as if that will stop your juvenile commenting anyway.
Lol. Already knew the answer, Linda.
775 gender reassignment surgeries.
However, I knew it woud be Igood for people like YOU to look that information up, though. Which is what a "genius" does.
Why is everyone on here having a meltdown about one, simple question?!
O my god. Seriously? I did it "for your own good"? Sad thing when you have to hide idiocy with paternalism. You don't actually "have" a bad comb-over, do you, Comprof? Because I think it's being linguistically expressed.
Thanks again for your comment.
THIS TRANSGENDER TREND IS SO PERNICIOUS FOR YOUNG WOMEN. Please ignore this guy and get to work. It is literally going to take all of us, working together.
https://feministstruggle.org/tag/erin-friday/
https://ourduty.group/2022/10/08/we-need-to-stop-transing-kids-now/
You can find plenty of data on this in the cass report on the UK, as a starting point - the US practices are more liberal and less tracked but no reason to think they're wildly different.. if anything probably worse.
See above.
"anyone have data on how many kids under 18 have gone through transition surgery or interacting with these clinics?"
Isn't that why we have a government? But when the government is in the hands of lunatics supporting this lunacy, do you really expect them to investigate it? Let alone end the madness?
The same government that has people wearing face masks for 3 years without performing ONE RCT on their efficacy/risks? Their 30,000 employees (NIH & CDC) and $62 billion dollar budget obviously have more pressing concerns to study during a global pandemic. Like the sex habits of pigeons doing cocaine...
Well, Bruce....seems like one of your colleagues found the non-existent information.
Here's some more non-existent information from a lunatic fringe, so-called media org called Reuters:
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
Interesting. One of your colleagues provided data there were 775 transition surgeries.
This articles talks about diagnosis, etc. Also, it defines "gender affirming care" as including using a particular pronoun.
So, guess no one really knows. Reuters is the media btw- which is fake.
I don't have colleagues here. If I happen to share opinions with some individuals, that's nice. If not, I don't care.
Skepticism is not a bad thing. But that doesn't mean "no one really knows" anything. However, if you're looking for others to spoon-feed you everything you claim to want to know, in an area that is deliberately obfuscated by ideologues, jargon, and medical and political grifters (see the article we're both commenting on), then good luck to you. Still, there's a great deal to learn if one actually cares.
On the off-chance that you have an iota of sincere interest in this topic, here are a couple of sources that focus on statistics, research and science. I won't be responding to you again.
The Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine - https://segm.org/
Transgender Trend (UK) - https://www.transgendertrend.com/
Nobody here is a "colleague." We're all independent voices. Plus the information was assembled by a private group. Not our useless government Which, rather than protecting children, is mutilating them. Bloody minded fiends.
1. Yes, you are.
2. Colleagues can still have independent voices.
I don't care about this issue or keep up with, so was just curious about the number. Which seems to have caused you and your colleagues to have a come-apart.
Turns out is seems to be about 775. There. Wasn't that hard, was it?
Now, how is "the government" mutilating children exactly?
You're hopeless.
If you don't think that mastectomies and castration are mutilating children then even your humanity is suspect. And as to your intellect, it's dispositive.
My daughter and her husband have asked that their kids’ personal information be limited. I never post pictures of them anywhere. I don’t use their names or specifics about their location.
The eldest grandchild is in elementary school. The youngest is a toddler. They left the US when the eldest was three.
That enough for you?
Fishing has a lot of aspects: sometimes the most effective way for a lazy fisherman who doesn't feel like doing his homework is trolling. Rather than do the work of studying his game, the lazy fisherman just hangs some bait on his hook and drives his boat and see who bites. It's a very lazy way to fish but sometimes pretty effective. The only way to discourage such a fisherman is for fish not to bite.
Yep. Confirms the move had nothing to do with the issue/s of the article.
I never said they moved solely because of the trans lunacy. I said that the trans lunacy coupled with the erosion of parental control over their progeny in multiple fora is one of the primary reasons they’ve decided to remain outside the country.
See: CA and WA.
So yes this subject absolutely is a major factor in their family calculus regarding whether and when to return.
Marie - ignore the troll. There is absolutely nothing sincere about trying to drill into your family’s situation.
If I had children that age, I would homeschool or move, if possible to a country where this is not happening. Who wants to see their children destroyed?
Go back and read your initial comment.
Seriously Comprof2.0, if your intent here is to convince anyone of anything other than that you are a fool, you are failing. In fact, you are drumming up more and more support for those you badger.
All I'm asking is if anyone has any numbers on how many kids have undergone transition surgery or are currently in the process of doing so
Not surprising at all that you would consider that question to be foolish.
Have no desire to convince anyone of anything, as no one here is that important.
Numbers here: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/
"The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. Among teens, “top surgery” to remove breasts is more common. In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo’s data analysis of insurance claims. This tally does not include procedures that were paid for out of pocket."
"At least 14,726 minors started hormone treatment with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2017 through 2021"
Ok, so about 800 transition surgeries. That seems to be number, because there's going to be some overlap there. 14,726 on hormone treatment.
Unfortunately, Reuters is the media. So, those numbers really can't be trusted.
I think it would be rather difficult to find that number. There are hundreds of these so-called gender affirming clinics in this country and in the UK, Scotland, etc. I doubt that they want to figures no anyway.
I don't consider the question foolish, I consider you foolish for badgering people endlessly with potshot stupidities. As for your question, what's interesting is that you do not seem to see that the difficulty in getting exact numbers to answer that question is itself so totally condemning of this gender surgery disgrace. It is not on the people here to give you those numbers. It is the profit-hungry parasites doing the surgery who should answer fully and honestly all questions about it. Do you ask them and badger them? Maybe you should.
Comprof trolls here regularly and only propagates bad faith arguments. Benign neglect is the only rational response.
and yet . . . I later ignored my own advice. Damn!
Haha!
Why would anyone who has any interest in the welfare of children support their mutation?
A young woman who loses her breasts to this lunacy can never know the joy of feeding her infant! And yet , one of the insane doctors ( whose license should have been revoked) said something to the effect of” if you want to get your breasts back, you can”!!
These are truly evil people who do this to young girls or young boys. Obviously those youngsters have mental problems that need to be addressed, but not was surgical or hormonal.” Treatments”!
I’m giggling here a bit contemplating the seeming reality that you HONESTLY believe you are being clever and perhaps even adding something.
You need to get out more, and have face to face conversations with intelligent people, rather than work ao hard to misunderstand obvious points.
The comment was clear. Responding to an article re: trans kids. Your colleague commented that is why her family moved to Asia, to escape such lunacy.
Am out everyday, interacting with a wide variety of intelligent, well-read, thoughtful people.
I balance that out by interacting with people here.
Now....can someone find some numbers re: trans kids?
If they do you're going to say that you already knew & the person who gets the info for you just "wanted to." Make up your mind.
Lol.
Yes. I did already know that the number of kids who have undergone gender reassignment was statistically pretty non-existent.
It's 775. Not 10,000 as you probably thought it was.
See...if I had said it was 775 you would have hurled invective, claimed it was false, a "leftist" lie...blah....blah...blah...
So my mind has been made up from the beginning.
She did not say that the family moved to Asia to escape such lunacy. She said "My daughter and SIL are currently raising [their children] in Asia to keep them away from this lunacy." I assumed this to mean that her daughter and SIL had been living in Asia for some time (most likely because one or both of them had a job there) and that this lunacy (and, I would think, all the CRT and other lunacy in today's US schools) was a reason that they had decided not to return to the US at this time. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. My husband's job took us to several countries. Most expat kids did quite well in US or international schools.
As I would have thought obvious, the problems are systemic lunacy, stupidity, and disingenuousness, and the rush to destroy children in the name of protecting them is just the latest symptom.
And once the data is clear much of this was a mistake and irreversibly harmful, what will those currently pushing it do? THEY WILL LIE ABOUT IT, then find some new reason to attack psychologically healthy people in the name of an issue thry created with lies, half truths, willful distortions, and coordinated social violence that makes it potentially costly to oppose them, no matter how stupid the claims being made.
There is certainly room in the middle, but nit where abusive lunatics are concerned.
You don’t owe It (I don’t want to assume pronouns) anything.