Oh, lay off Fauci. The list of this guy's alleged crimes - even deleting emails - are practically zero compared to what he did to help (and practically zero compared to you know who). I know people who've worked with him. Does he have an ego? Sure. Who at the top of their field doesn't? But he's a good guy - a man who chose to work with …
Oh, lay off Fauci. The list of this guy's alleged crimes - even deleting emails - are practically zero compared to what he did to help (and practically zero compared to you know who). I know people who've worked with him. Does he have an ego? Sure. Who at the top of their field doesn't? But he's a good guy - a man who chose to work with AIDS patients back when society treated them as lepers (what have the rest of us done for humanity lately?). A man who, even if he made mistakes, only ever meant to keep the public safe. It's frankly disgusting to me that vicious public hatred is the reward all these scientists and public health figures have gotten, and just for the sake of some people's political gain. They should have gotten a ticker tape parade.
I admit I get really heated about this because my own husband broke his back - almost literally due to sitting 17 hours a day every day for nine months (before building a standing desk out of cardboard boxes) - to help bring the vaccines to us, only to have half the population demonize him and his colleagues, doubt their intelligence, their motives, their expertise. I watched them work nonstop for the good of others. It was absolutely selfless. Families were neglected. Sleep was sacrificed. Nervous breakdowns were suffered. The insults and vitriol have been an absolutely shocking reaction to one of history's greatest scientific and public health feats. Ok. I'm done. I just can't.
I don’t think anyone demonized those who created a vaccine. You clearly missed the point. The vaccine wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place if Dr Evil had not been lying and messing around with gain of function.
And spare me the AIDS nonsense. Do some research on his involvement in that.
I have sympathy and compassion for the beagles this scum abused. I have nothing but contempt for the human garbage named Fauci.
"The vaccine wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place if Dr Evil had not been lying and messing around with gain of function." This is absolutely not an established fact. Please don't tell me to do research; if you knew how to do research you'd know not to take for fact things that don't haven't been proved. You'd know to pay attention to the vast majority of scientists instead of some Republicans on a select committee with an axe to grind, or some talking heads, or the handful of iconoclast scientists who insist they know better than 90% of their colleagues. Science isn't black and white. You have to be able to understand nuance and shades of gray to fathom it. That makes a lot of people squirmy.
Are you a scientist, by the way? Why do you think you have the knowledge to school experts in the field? My husband's family, all fervent Trump supporters (and all of whom I love), routinely questioned my husband and cast doubt on his research. They'd send him youtube videos of some random dude making ridiculous conspiracy and anti-science claims and be like "but what do you say about *this?*" Like it was a gotcha. Just... for heavens sake.
"I don’t think anyone demonized those who created a vaccine." Absolutely they have:
"I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists
Also, to be clear, I wasn't intending to say it's definitely not from the Wuhan lab. Just that it's not clear: "One of many articles written on this subject. Without surprise now 4 years (2024) from the pandemic onset, it is doubtful we’ll know for sure without more disclosure from the Chinese government." (from a Johns Hopkins article behind a paywall) The answer to the question is the unsatisfying, "We don't know."
I don’t think you were snotty. And I’m very sad that people treated your husband poorly. That’s unacceptable- because work like his is critical not just for covid but for the potential for other diseases. What we learned is vitally important and so was his role.
Thank you for saying that. I really appreciate it. I don't think the country ever recognized how hard these people worked - from every level in public health, science, community organizations, medicine. It was insane. Total mobilization. Anyway, I appreciate your kindness.
Here, as in, why am I here on earth? The internet? The free press? The comment section? I considered your view and thought it was bad. As others pointed out, nobody is directing their anger at those on the ground. My wife, as a nurse, administrated the vaccine and took care of patients sick from COVID-19. Yet, I still think Faucci lied over and over again, and that many parts of the pandemic were handled horribly.
I meant why on the comments section. I've had interesting discussions with diverse people on this site, which is why I'm here. I'm not sure the point of showing up if you're just going to shut people down who have opinions different from your own. Ignore me if you don't think my comment is worth engaging. I'm sure there are plenty of people here you can talk to with whom you agree.
Regarding this: "As others pointed out, nobody is directing their anger at those on the ground." As I pointed out to those others, this is simply not true. So much anger was pointed at those on the ground, scientist, doctors, public health figures. Copying from my response to Laura Taylor.
"I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists
"Of 359 respondents, 228 (64%) reported harassment related to comments made about the COVID-19 pandemic..."
Fwiw, I'm open to the idea that Fauci may have overstated, misled, and even maybe outright lied about a thing or two. However, the level of vitriol expressed against him and the conspiracy-building around him is insane. If it turns out he covered up a GOF lab leak - whether proved to be responsible for the pandemic or not - I'll join you. Until the allegation is proven, however, I'm not going to join the posse. Btw, I've noticed conservatives have a huge gripe with #metoo "guilty until proven innocent" standards (I share their concern), but are all over it when it comes to political or ideological enemies.
"...many parts of the pandemic were handled horribly." Maybe, but to which parts do you refer? I see a lot of people criticizing early pandemic responses, forgetting how little anyone knew back then, that we were flying blind. But maybe you're referring to things that happened later.
Finally, a huge thanks to your wife for doing that difficult and dangerous work! Such crazy, stressful, scary times. I'm so grateful for people like her who helped us through it.
Yes, but you told the author to layoff Fauci and brought up your Husband and people on the ground. Yes, of course there are crazies out there who hate any and everything that had to do with the vaccine. But the author of the article you commented on, didn't take any shots at the people on the ground.
Oh, lay off Fauci. The list of this guy's alleged crimes - even deleting emails - are practically zero compared to what he did to help (and practically zero compared to you know who). I know people who've worked with him. Does he have an ego? Sure. Who at the top of their field doesn't? But he's a good guy - a man who chose to work with AIDS patients back when society treated them as lepers (what have the rest of us done for humanity lately?). A man who, even if he made mistakes, only ever meant to keep the public safe. It's frankly disgusting to me that vicious public hatred is the reward all these scientists and public health figures have gotten, and just for the sake of some people's political gain. They should have gotten a ticker tape parade.
I admit I get really heated about this because my own husband broke his back - almost literally due to sitting 17 hours a day every day for nine months (before building a standing desk out of cardboard boxes) - to help bring the vaccines to us, only to have half the population demonize him and his colleagues, doubt their intelligence, their motives, their expertise. I watched them work nonstop for the good of others. It was absolutely selfless. Families were neglected. Sleep was sacrificed. Nervous breakdowns were suffered. The insults and vitriol have been an absolutely shocking reaction to one of history's greatest scientific and public health feats. Ok. I'm done. I just can't.
Go read The Real Anthony Fauci and get back to me.
The man is the most prolific mass murderer in modern times
Thank you for this. I agree wholeheartedly. Free Press, lay off Fauci. It's pathetic, really. Get some f-ing perspective.
I don’t think anyone demonized those who created a vaccine. You clearly missed the point. The vaccine wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place if Dr Evil had not been lying and messing around with gain of function.
And spare me the AIDS nonsense. Do some research on his involvement in that.
I have sympathy and compassion for the beagles this scum abused. I have nothing but contempt for the human garbage named Fauci.
"The vaccine wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place if Dr Evil had not been lying and messing around with gain of function." This is absolutely not an established fact. Please don't tell me to do research; if you knew how to do research you'd know not to take for fact things that don't haven't been proved. You'd know to pay attention to the vast majority of scientists instead of some Republicans on a select committee with an axe to grind, or some talking heads, or the handful of iconoclast scientists who insist they know better than 90% of their colleagues. Science isn't black and white. You have to be able to understand nuance and shades of gray to fathom it. That makes a lot of people squirmy.
Are you a scientist, by the way? Why do you think you have the knowledge to school experts in the field? My husband's family, all fervent Trump supporters (and all of whom I love), routinely questioned my husband and cast doubt on his research. They'd send him youtube videos of some random dude making ridiculous conspiracy and anti-science claims and be like "but what do you say about *this?*" Like it was a gotcha. Just... for heavens sake.
"I don’t think anyone demonized those who created a vaccine." Absolutely they have:
"I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x
Oh - that's behind a paywall. Here
https://media.nature.com/original/magazine-assets/d41586-021-02741-x/19756934
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2806018
"Of 359 respondents, 228 (64%) reported harassment related to comments made about the COVID-19 pandemic..."
P.S. I'm sorry that was snotty.
Also, to be clear, I wasn't intending to say it's definitely not from the Wuhan lab. Just that it's not clear: "One of many articles written on this subject. Without surprise now 4 years (2024) from the pandemic onset, it is doubtful we’ll know for sure without more disclosure from the Chinese government." (from a Johns Hopkins article behind a paywall) The answer to the question is the unsatisfying, "We don't know."
I don’t think you were snotty. And I’m very sad that people treated your husband poorly. That’s unacceptable- because work like his is critical not just for covid but for the potential for other diseases. What we learned is vitally important and so was his role.
Thank you for saying that. I really appreciate it. I don't think the country ever recognized how hard these people worked - from every level in public health, science, community organizations, medicine. It was insane. Total mobilization. Anyway, I appreciate your kindness.
You were done before you started.
Way to consider other views. Why are you here?
Here, as in, why am I here on earth? The internet? The free press? The comment section? I considered your view and thought it was bad. As others pointed out, nobody is directing their anger at those on the ground. My wife, as a nurse, administrated the vaccine and took care of patients sick from COVID-19. Yet, I still think Faucci lied over and over again, and that many parts of the pandemic were handled horribly.
I meant why on the comments section. I've had interesting discussions with diverse people on this site, which is why I'm here. I'm not sure the point of showing up if you're just going to shut people down who have opinions different from your own. Ignore me if you don't think my comment is worth engaging. I'm sure there are plenty of people here you can talk to with whom you agree.
Regarding this: "As others pointed out, nobody is directing their anger at those on the ground." As I pointed out to those others, this is simply not true. So much anger was pointed at those on the ground, scientist, doctors, public health figures. Copying from my response to Laura Taylor.
"I hope you die’: how the COVID pandemic unleashed attacks on scientists
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02741-x
Oh - that's behind a paywall. Here:
https://media.nature.com/original/magazine-assets/d41586-021-02741-x/19756934
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2806018
"Of 359 respondents, 228 (64%) reported harassment related to comments made about the COVID-19 pandemic..."
Fwiw, I'm open to the idea that Fauci may have overstated, misled, and even maybe outright lied about a thing or two. However, the level of vitriol expressed against him and the conspiracy-building around him is insane. If it turns out he covered up a GOF lab leak - whether proved to be responsible for the pandemic or not - I'll join you. Until the allegation is proven, however, I'm not going to join the posse. Btw, I've noticed conservatives have a huge gripe with #metoo "guilty until proven innocent" standards (I share their concern), but are all over it when it comes to political or ideological enemies.
"...many parts of the pandemic were handled horribly." Maybe, but to which parts do you refer? I see a lot of people criticizing early pandemic responses, forgetting how little anyone knew back then, that we were flying blind. But maybe you're referring to things that happened later.
Finally, a huge thanks to your wife for doing that difficult and dangerous work! Such crazy, stressful, scary times. I'm so grateful for people like her who helped us through it.
But sorry, I don't mean to come off as rude. (maybe a tad with my original comment).
Yes, but you told the author to layoff Fauci and brought up your Husband and people on the ground. Yes, of course there are crazies out there who hate any and everything that had to do with the vaccine. But the author of the article you commented on, didn't take any shots at the people on the ground.