I’m an American so not sure if my culture and your culture are all that different. I grew up in Texas. I agree that Chinese cultural values certainly aren’t identical to American ones but rather than focusing on the differences I feel like we ignore in particular the highly relevant commonality between the Chinese mindset and the anti-wo…
I’m an American so not sure if my culture and your culture are all that different. I grew up in Texas. I agree that Chinese cultural values certainly aren’t identical to American ones but rather than focusing on the differences I feel like we ignore in particular the highly relevant commonality between the Chinese mindset and the anti-woke ethos that seems to be part and parcel of the Common Sense community.
I’ve been accused of being deeply biased but it’s my assertion that Chinese Americans are at the vanguard of the anti-woke movement in this country particularly with respect to crime and meritocracy. Ironically if America ever pivots back to being sane again, Chinese influence will have certainly played a disproportionate role in that.
That was my point above. We agonize over supposedly malicious Chinese influence in our way of life, but I wonder how many people realize that Chinese influence might in fact be our very salvation. It's my belief that Chinese Americans are going to be at the vanguard of dismantling the woke regime that our ruling class seems to have become in thrall to. Students for Fair Admissions vs Harvard is a case in point.
Thanks for the clarification that you are Chinese-American. As such you were sharing your insight as to Chinese culture. As is your prerogative and I really do appreciate the insight. IMO there is much to admire about the country of China and her people. Now for the but. Your reply to my comment does not offer a rebuttal to my position though which in essence is that 5000 year old culture perhaps has conditioned people to accept authoritarianism. And what this author has described is simply the newest, most advanced form of conditioning. One that the government of China protects its people from. I take that as evidence of TikTok's nefariousness. And frankly the nefariousness of the Chinese government. For what it is worth I would object to, and do object to, any government having access to that kind of data. Part of the issue is the AI and algorithms that will undoubtedly arise from the data compilations. I find the notion that an entity will know the individual better than the individual knows him or herself chilling. Who gets to say? The individual or the algorithm? If the algorithm that is the end of free will. And free will has created everything of significance or beauty up to this point. Lastly moral relevance is good. It is the basis of genuine tolerance and diversity. But like "wokeism" screams and screams for diversity, inclusion, and equity it is very intolerant of those who do not toe the party line so too moral relevance can be taken so far as to see nothing wrong with authoritarianism. My morals preclude acceptance of authoritarianism.
Funny You should take that disposition. What we have in common with China is the Chinese mindset and the anti-Woke ethos?
I'm afraid You just can't see.
Your making two different arguments here. One is about China, which You've been defending throughout. And just NOW You bring up Chinese-Americans. You won't find many here who are gonna be against the end of Affirmative Action. That good enough for You?
But these are entirely two different peoples, the Chinese and the Chinese-Americans. Mebbe not with You, because of Your perspective. But with most people it is. And, in this country, it's sometimes hard to tell between those two, and the actual members of the CCP who are here to be educated or for *whatever* reason they're here for.
All I'm saying is that before condemning an entire country of 1.4 billion people belonging to a civilization spanning 5000 years or even just condemning an organization that's been around since 1921 and which roughly 90-100 million Chinese people belong to, we should at least take note of that fact that the CCP is probably in virtual agreement with most of the anti-woke talking points that all of here deeply believe in. Doesn't that count for something? Isn't that a meaningful point of commonality even if significant differences remain?
I guess I've never bought into this us versus them mentality, but maybe that's because I'm guilty of the sin of moral relativism.
I would like to know more about this organization that started in 1921 with 90 to 100 M Chinese people in it.
However...
In any two things, no matter how similar or how different, there's gonna be differences and samenesses. Right? That's a law of nature. At the same time, it depends to an extent on how fine-grained You're looking at things. Two members of a family can be an *awful* lot alike. But by the very law of uniqueness, the couldn't be more different in a number of Ways, right?
So, yeah. There are samenesses and differences between the CCP and us in these comments. I marvel at them, and hadn't thought or known about it much.
There are distinct problems with an us vs. them mentality. Largely because it can easily lead to hatred which, in actual FACT, does as much harm to the hater as it does to the hated. Believe it or not.
At the same time, it's not totally without merit in *all* cases. Some particulars here that influence my view. The CCP has put into their latest 5-year plan that they will *dominate* the areas of computer chips, AI and (i believe) quantum computers. First time as a line-item in the plan. IOW (In Other Words), they're gonna be the worlds #1 of the future. I think everybody knows these are gonna propel the future, so that's what they're saying.
I believe there's still a great deal of paternalism and Confucusism (spelling) in China. So they'll like be a live and let live kind-a autocrat. As long as people realize their place. They said that in a recent comment. "Countries have to know their place in things." So everything will be fine, as long as the U.S. goes along with that.
It's already happening. Guy makes a comment about Hong Kong, next thing You know China's taking the NBA junk off-a the shelves. They want the guy fired. They almost got their way. Guy grovels sufficiently to keep his job, is what happened.
This is not what we here in the U.S. would call a "benevolent dictator."
Other examples about where China gives every appearance of not having the best interests in mind for Americans, or America the country.
So that's why many people take an us vs. them attitude towards China. Or mebbe they don't know about the Confucusism in China, and it's based somewhat on racial animus. Can't say that *nobody* looks at it that unfortunate way.
Meaningful point of commonality? Between us here in these comments, yeah, it would be. But it's a far bridge from the U.S. to China, the way things are going. Like I've posted before, unless something drastic happens, China is probably gonna wage an economic war against the U.S. and 1.4 B people will determine the winner, right? And the CCP isn't gonna allow any kind-a revolution to upset those plans.
The question to be answered is what will they do with the #1 economy in the world. They've already answered. They'll withdraw their markets to countries than don't bow the knee to their satisfaction. That's what they've done, and it's worked. Why change that? I wish I could be hopeful in that regard, as that's my nature. But.. no.
Moral relativism a sin? For me personally, contrary to a lotta commenters, I never believed much in sin as it's normally thought of. I believe people commit sins whenever they do something or another that is less than "optimal." However "optimal" turns out to be. Thus, people sin every day, because they're human.
But, I hafta admit, I think moral relativism and wanting to do away with the us vs. them mentality at all costs tend to go together. That's just me.
TY for reply, M. Yan Shen. Got me to thinking. But I didn't sleep well last night, and I'm wasted. Mebbe more tomorrow. Mebbe not. ;-) Have a good rest-a-day.
I’m an American so not sure if my culture and your culture are all that different. I grew up in Texas. I agree that Chinese cultural values certainly aren’t identical to American ones but rather than focusing on the differences I feel like we ignore in particular the highly relevant commonality between the Chinese mindset and the anti-woke ethos that seems to be part and parcel of the Common Sense community.
I’ve been accused of being deeply biased but it’s my assertion that Chinese Americans are at the vanguard of the anti-woke movement in this country particularly with respect to crime and meritocracy. Ironically if America ever pivots back to being sane again, Chinese influence will have certainly played a disproportionate role in that.
That was my point above. We agonize over supposedly malicious Chinese influence in our way of life, but I wonder how many people realize that Chinese influence might in fact be our very salvation. It's my belief that Chinese Americans are going to be at the vanguard of dismantling the woke regime that our ruling class seems to have become in thrall to. Students for Fair Admissions vs Harvard is a case in point.
Thanks for the clarification that you are Chinese-American. As such you were sharing your insight as to Chinese culture. As is your prerogative and I really do appreciate the insight. IMO there is much to admire about the country of China and her people. Now for the but. Your reply to my comment does not offer a rebuttal to my position though which in essence is that 5000 year old culture perhaps has conditioned people to accept authoritarianism. And what this author has described is simply the newest, most advanced form of conditioning. One that the government of China protects its people from. I take that as evidence of TikTok's nefariousness. And frankly the nefariousness of the Chinese government. For what it is worth I would object to, and do object to, any government having access to that kind of data. Part of the issue is the AI and algorithms that will undoubtedly arise from the data compilations. I find the notion that an entity will know the individual better than the individual knows him or herself chilling. Who gets to say? The individual or the algorithm? If the algorithm that is the end of free will. And free will has created everything of significance or beauty up to this point. Lastly moral relevance is good. It is the basis of genuine tolerance and diversity. But like "wokeism" screams and screams for diversity, inclusion, and equity it is very intolerant of those who do not toe the party line so too moral relevance can be taken so far as to see nothing wrong with authoritarianism. My morals preclude acceptance of authoritarianism.
Good points, *all.*
Funny You should take that disposition. What we have in common with China is the Chinese mindset and the anti-Woke ethos?
I'm afraid You just can't see.
Your making two different arguments here. One is about China, which You've been defending throughout. And just NOW You bring up Chinese-Americans. You won't find many here who are gonna be against the end of Affirmative Action. That good enough for You?
But these are entirely two different peoples, the Chinese and the Chinese-Americans. Mebbe not with You, because of Your perspective. But with most people it is. And, in this country, it's sometimes hard to tell between those two, and the actual members of the CCP who are here to be educated or for *whatever* reason they're here for.
All I'm saying is that before condemning an entire country of 1.4 billion people belonging to a civilization spanning 5000 years or even just condemning an organization that's been around since 1921 and which roughly 90-100 million Chinese people belong to, we should at least take note of that fact that the CCP is probably in virtual agreement with most of the anti-woke talking points that all of here deeply believe in. Doesn't that count for something? Isn't that a meaningful point of commonality even if significant differences remain?
I guess I've never bought into this us versus them mentality, but maybe that's because I'm guilty of the sin of moral relativism.
I would like to know more about this organization that started in 1921 with 90 to 100 M Chinese people in it.
However...
In any two things, no matter how similar or how different, there's gonna be differences and samenesses. Right? That's a law of nature. At the same time, it depends to an extent on how fine-grained You're looking at things. Two members of a family can be an *awful* lot alike. But by the very law of uniqueness, the couldn't be more different in a number of Ways, right?
So, yeah. There are samenesses and differences between the CCP and us in these comments. I marvel at them, and hadn't thought or known about it much.
There are distinct problems with an us vs. them mentality. Largely because it can easily lead to hatred which, in actual FACT, does as much harm to the hater as it does to the hated. Believe it or not.
At the same time, it's not totally without merit in *all* cases. Some particulars here that influence my view. The CCP has put into their latest 5-year plan that they will *dominate* the areas of computer chips, AI and (i believe) quantum computers. First time as a line-item in the plan. IOW (In Other Words), they're gonna be the worlds #1 of the future. I think everybody knows these are gonna propel the future, so that's what they're saying.
I believe there's still a great deal of paternalism and Confucusism (spelling) in China. So they'll like be a live and let live kind-a autocrat. As long as people realize their place. They said that in a recent comment. "Countries have to know their place in things." So everything will be fine, as long as the U.S. goes along with that.
It's already happening. Guy makes a comment about Hong Kong, next thing You know China's taking the NBA junk off-a the shelves. They want the guy fired. They almost got their way. Guy grovels sufficiently to keep his job, is what happened.
This is not what we here in the U.S. would call a "benevolent dictator."
Other examples about where China gives every appearance of not having the best interests in mind for Americans, or America the country.
So that's why many people take an us vs. them attitude towards China. Or mebbe they don't know about the Confucusism in China, and it's based somewhat on racial animus. Can't say that *nobody* looks at it that unfortunate way.
Meaningful point of commonality? Between us here in these comments, yeah, it would be. But it's a far bridge from the U.S. to China, the way things are going. Like I've posted before, unless something drastic happens, China is probably gonna wage an economic war against the U.S. and 1.4 B people will determine the winner, right? And the CCP isn't gonna allow any kind-a revolution to upset those plans.
The question to be answered is what will they do with the #1 economy in the world. They've already answered. They'll withdraw their markets to countries than don't bow the knee to their satisfaction. That's what they've done, and it's worked. Why change that? I wish I could be hopeful in that regard, as that's my nature. But.. no.
Moral relativism a sin? For me personally, contrary to a lotta commenters, I never believed much in sin as it's normally thought of. I believe people commit sins whenever they do something or another that is less than "optimal." However "optimal" turns out to be. Thus, people sin every day, because they're human.
But, I hafta admit, I think moral relativism and wanting to do away with the us vs. them mentality at all costs tend to go together. That's just me.
TY for reply, M. Yan Shen. Got me to thinking. But I didn't sleep well last night, and I'm wasted. Mebbe more tomorrow. Mebbe not. ;-) Have a good rest-a-day.