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Oh good grief! Two highly educated intelligent men with real compassionate impulses cannot have a decent debate here. All forms of polite exchange deteriorated and I’m not sure why I bothered to listen. Well, I do know. Chris came to speak at a smallish local liberal arts college just a few days ago & did a fabulous job. So, I wanted to hear this. Now to my main points: Private universities should choose to become more like Hillsdale College, accepting zero federal funds in order to remain as free as possible. Public universities must and should be governed by the will of the people as expressed through STATE legislations, not as expressed by the Feds or by the current powers that be in the faculty. Next: let’s PLEASE go back and review what a true classical education is—not what it has become, nor what we (the smugly wise ones left or right) think it should be. Truth is solid. Everyone in this world knows right and wrong. What Hamas has done and is doing is not only wrong, it is evil. Evil is a reality, NOT some right wing religious fanatical church goers’s opinion. I am outraged by Oct. 7 and by what has happened on college campuses since. I probably have almost nothing in common with Bari politically or religiously, but both of us are outraged. How and where do we go from here? I, the passionate Christian with a degree from what was once a fairly conservative liberal arts women’s college in the south and Bari, a secular Jew whose education I cannot recall but who has clearly created a new public square and is battling for such vital elements of society as free speech and human dignity AGREE that evil has pervaded the Middle East and our university campuses. Now what do we do? We find ways to meet in the square and converse: speak, listen. Speak. Listen. I will stop vilifying Hillary and Joe if you will stop vilifying DeSantis and Greg what’s his name, the governor of Texas. I believe in state’s rights over Federal rights but I can and must listen to those who disagree. I hope my grandson will attend Hillsdale or New College. I hope there will be a rise of true classical education again—but if these two men with much common ground cannot debate peacefully, where is the hope? Especially now when the country is probably looking at a Biden/Trump ticket AGAIN in spite of the fact that no one wants this. Win or lose either side and there will be chaos. I am SO annoyed by this podcast! Could Bari and I personally talk? I would hope so because I have a boatload of admiration for her and what she is trying to do. Would she ever care to converse with me? I have no idea. But really! This podcast needed much greater control by Bari. Argh! Get it together! If you want a new common square, speak up and shut down the egos, the rude behavior, the need to grandstand. I wanted so much to listen and learn from this particular episode. Instead I am totally disgusted.

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Put a gun to their head, the private selective colleges would give up the federal student loans and Pell Grants. What they will not give up is the federal medical/scientific research money (NIH, NSF, etc.). You would have to pry that money from their cold, dead hands.

Hillsdale is not a major research institution getting that type of money anyway. They have just given up the loans and grants (which is still admirable).

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