"Wright argues that it’d be a mistake for conservatives to abandon elite colleges. I agree."
No. Don't feed the beast. Leave. Go to a school that respects you.
Why did Wright say not to leave. She wants to keep her job. Put all of their jobs in jeopardy. Why? They do not respect you nor do they have the your best interests at heart.
It is helpful to have to defend your ideas and to get exposed to other points of view, but this is a two-way street. Teachers and students also need to be ready to learn from those with minority perspectives. There are whole other worlds of ideas that are beyond our knowledge and experience.
Yep. And professors shouldn't make their students do all the work. They need to teach those perspectives by presenting the best arguments in good faith. They are both unwilling and, I strongly believe, not competent to do so.
I've worked as a instructor at a university for about 15 years. Most of my students are significantly more conservative than me, but they seem to find my point of view interesting and exciting. I approach instruction with a joy in learning, knowledge, and ideas. My students perspectives are deeply interesting to me. Any opinion in class can be challenged, including my own. Ideological instructors don't teach students to think or develop as individuals and have no place at a university. Ideological environments present challenges to professors many of whom hold views that are different from far left orthodoxies.
I had it out with a liberal teacher my Senior year and ya I got a "C" out of it . Ya you learn to speak up but the cost has to be measured with the backlash that is coming . I learned you can fight it , I had to go to the dean but I didn't have enough evidence to back my claim , to change the grade . I like the author can't say it was worth the backlash that you will get . I liked getting a master degree , I did not think my BS was worth it !
My daughter, a graduate student in history, had a mixed undergrad/grad class on "Revisionist Histories," revisionist history of this, revisionist history of that, all in the mode of Howard Zinn's "A Proctologist's History of the United States." Then came the Holocaust. One reading was about male concentration camp inmates oppressing female concentration camp inmates. "For some reason," however, that unit alone was not referred to as "revisionist" history, but by some synonym. My daughter had the temerity to calmly and rationally (she says) point out the discrepancy to the professor, whereupon the professor simply lost his mind, responding basically with Thunberg-style "How Dare You!!". After the class, several students approached her and thanked her.
Thick skin and resiliency are educational benefits now - this from an ideology that proclaims words are violence, the $150,000 loan for their degree in Lesbian Poetry that shockingly didn't get them a job needs to be "forgiven", and who invented the need for "safe spaces" on campus - presumably to be protected from us thick skinned conservatives. Give me a break.
Imagine the Atlantic publishing a piece arguing the same for ANY other belief system. I find it stunning that so few of my academic colleagues in fields like philosophy, communications, journalism, and education, fail to see the hypocrisy in this “Just deal with it.” attitude.
Lower grades are a result for students who have conservative leanings. Even decades ago, I got at least a letter grade lower when I spoke out in class with a conservative perspective. Sometimes it was merely to point out contradictions such as the claim by a professor that the Catholic Church hates sex!
TFP needs a copy editor. Can you spot what's wrong with the following sentence?: "For reporting on Columbia’s anti-Israel protests and the occupation of Hamilton Hall for the Columbia Sundial and The Free Press, other students, including many in student government, slandered me on social media." It should be "For reporting on Columbia’s anti-Israel protests and the occupation of Hamilton Hall for the Columbia Sundial and The Free Press, I was slandered by other students, including many in student government." I love you, TFP, but you need to up your game.
I don't agree. The original sentence is gramatically correct. Your construction is considerably weaker with the added auxiliary verb and the leading 'I' in the phrase.
I was an English major and professional editor. Adam is correct. The original sentence contains a dangling modifier.
The sentence begins with a prepositional clause beginning with "For." "For reporting..." is tied to "other students...". The "students" become the subject of the sentence [the ones doing the action]. As written, it indicates that the students (who slandered him) were the ones reporting on the anti-Israel protests.
The way Adam rewrote the sentence is technically correct and ties the "for reporting" directly to "I" [who was slandered]. "I" becomes the subject of the sentence.
The "dangling modifier" rule that I learned in my editorial training 30 years ago has become somewhat of an arcane technical rule, as the author's meaning is often still understandable, as it was here. But if you're being geeky about grammar, it can be construed to have an unintended meaning.
The blatantly disingenuous justification of persecution of minorities along with anyone who doesn’t toe the party line is simply mind-boggling. Do such “professors” actually believe the drivel they write? Orwell’s 1984 was meant as a warning, not a playbook….
What the Leftist really means is that people who are not left-wing "benefit" more from left-wing propaganda than do people who are already left-wing, because the greatest thing in the world is to be left-wing.
Totally agree with this article. I'm center-left, and the far-left movement on campuses across the country is both embarrassing and dangerous. These students cry bloody murder if they feel the least bit threatened, but they have no qualms threatening, intimidating and assaulting others if they disagree with their views.
My college was very liberal (this was in the 90s), and it helped show me where my line was on the left (and that far left ideology is crap). Now I don't know if I'd get the same benefit, as the far left has been emboldened over the years and turned more extreme and aggressive.
This article made me realize I've been wrong fighting a Biden policy...students at elite Ivy League schools shouldn't have to pay back their loans...in fact, they shouldn't have to pay anything...theses schools should be free because their educations are worthless...g.
Are these the same people who think calling somebody by a pronoun they don't like is an aggression?
I'm more glad every day for sending my kids to "second tier" state schools, where they just became engineers and HR professionals and whatnot, rather than pedigreed idiots.
This has been going on for at least a quarter century. In the late 1990s, at Rutgers University, I also experienced these "benefits" of being in the conservative minority. The issues were different back then, but I can remember getting an F on a "reaction" (read: opinion) paper in PoliSci because my opinion was too conservative. I was a straight-A student and wasn't about to let some liberal professor's bias ruin my GPA, so I escalated the matter. The dept head (also extremely liberal) was on the teacher's side, so I appealed to the dean. The end result was a "compromise": While the other students only had to write five of the six assigned papers (they could choose which one to skip), my F paper would count as my 'skip' and be dropped.
In other words, I had to write six papers while everyone else only had to write five. (My grades mysteriously improved after that, and I ended up with an A in the class.) I guess this aided in my development of thicker skin and resilience?
On the bright side, the dept head insulted me in the following manner: "Your paper reads like something written by William F. Buckley," she sneered. "Thank you!" I said, brightening considerably. I then proceeded to write a letter to Mr. Buckley about it, and he printed it in the next issue of National Review!
Went to a potted Ivy League school in 1950s. Same thing happened. But the Dean said, don't worry about it, feed the prof what he wants to hear and don't take anymore of his courses.
"Wright argues that it’d be a mistake for conservatives to abandon elite colleges. I agree."
No. Don't feed the beast. Leave. Go to a school that respects you.
Why did Wright say not to leave. She wants to keep her job. Put all of their jobs in jeopardy. Why? They do not respect you nor do they have the your best interests at heart.
It is helpful to have to defend your ideas and to get exposed to other points of view, but this is a two-way street. Teachers and students also need to be ready to learn from those with minority perspectives. There are whole other worlds of ideas that are beyond our knowledge and experience.
Yep. And professors shouldn't make their students do all the work. They need to teach those perspectives by presenting the best arguments in good faith. They are both unwilling and, I strongly believe, not competent to do so.
I've worked as a instructor at a university for about 15 years. Most of my students are significantly more conservative than me, but they seem to find my point of view interesting and exciting. I approach instruction with a joy in learning, knowledge, and ideas. My students perspectives are deeply interesting to me. Any opinion in class can be challenged, including my own. Ideological instructors don't teach students to think or develop as individuals and have no place at a university. Ideological environments present challenges to professors many of whom hold views that are different from far left orthodoxies.
I had it out with a liberal teacher my Senior year and ya I got a "C" out of it . Ya you learn to speak up but the cost has to be measured with the backlash that is coming . I learned you can fight it , I had to go to the dean but I didn't have enough evidence to back my claim , to change the grade . I like the author can't say it was worth the backlash that you will get . I liked getting a master degree , I did not think my BS was worth it !
My daughter, a graduate student in history, had a mixed undergrad/grad class on "Revisionist Histories," revisionist history of this, revisionist history of that, all in the mode of Howard Zinn's "A Proctologist's History of the United States." Then came the Holocaust. One reading was about male concentration camp inmates oppressing female concentration camp inmates. "For some reason," however, that unit alone was not referred to as "revisionist" history, but by some synonym. My daughter had the temerity to calmly and rationally (she says) point out the discrepancy to the professor, whereupon the professor simply lost his mind, responding basically with Thunberg-style "How Dare You!!". After the class, several students approached her and thanked her.
Don't we all love the smug self-righteousness of Greta. The gift that keeps on giving.
Thick skin and resiliency are educational benefits now - this from an ideology that proclaims words are violence, the $150,000 loan for their degree in Lesbian Poetry that shockingly didn't get them a job needs to be "forgiven", and who invented the need for "safe spaces" on campus - presumably to be protected from us thick skinned conservatives. Give me a break.
Imagine the Atlantic publishing a piece arguing the same for ANY other belief system. I find it stunning that so few of my academic colleagues in fields like philosophy, communications, journalism, and education, fail to see the hypocrisy in this “Just deal with it.” attitude.
"It's only a shower."
Dark..
Indeed, but as I think you're aware, it's where this road leads.
Lower grades are a result for students who have conservative leanings. Even decades ago, I got at least a letter grade lower when I spoke out in class with a conservative perspective. Sometimes it was merely to point out contradictions such as the claim by a professor that the Catholic Church hates sex!
100%
Another Ivy League student here, couldn’t agree more
TFP needs a copy editor. Can you spot what's wrong with the following sentence?: "For reporting on Columbia’s anti-Israel protests and the occupation of Hamilton Hall for the Columbia Sundial and The Free Press, other students, including many in student government, slandered me on social media." It should be "For reporting on Columbia’s anti-Israel protests and the occupation of Hamilton Hall for the Columbia Sundial and The Free Press, I was slandered by other students, including many in student government." I love you, TFP, but you need to up your game.
What do you expect from an Ivy League education costing $85K+ per year. Their focus is not grammar but indoctrination.
Maybe you could get a decent education in English grammar at a community college, but that would set you back about $5K per year.
I don't agree. The original sentence is gramatically correct. Your construction is considerably weaker with the added auxiliary verb and the leading 'I' in the phrase.
I was an English major and professional editor. Adam is correct. The original sentence contains a dangling modifier.
The sentence begins with a prepositional clause beginning with "For." "For reporting..." is tied to "other students...". The "students" become the subject of the sentence [the ones doing the action]. As written, it indicates that the students (who slandered him) were the ones reporting on the anti-Israel protests.
The way Adam rewrote the sentence is technically correct and ties the "for reporting" directly to "I" [who was slandered]. "I" becomes the subject of the sentence.
The "dangling modifier" rule that I learned in my editorial training 30 years ago has become somewhat of an arcane technical rule, as the author's meaning is often still understandable, as it was here. But if you're being geeky about grammar, it can be construed to have an unintended meaning.
The blatantly disingenuous justification of persecution of minorities along with anyone who doesn’t toe the party line is simply mind-boggling. Do such “professors” actually believe the drivel they write? Orwell’s 1984 was meant as a warning, not a playbook….
What the Leftist really means is that people who are not left-wing "benefit" more from left-wing propaganda than do people who are already left-wing, because the greatest thing in the world is to be left-wing.
Totally agree with this article. I'm center-left, and the far-left movement on campuses across the country is both embarrassing and dangerous. These students cry bloody murder if they feel the least bit threatened, but they have no qualms threatening, intimidating and assaulting others if they disagree with their views.
My college was very liberal (this was in the 90s), and it helped show me where my line was on the left (and that far left ideology is crap). Now I don't know if I'd get the same benefit, as the far left has been emboldened over the years and turned more extreme and aggressive.
This article made me realize I've been wrong fighting a Biden policy...students at elite Ivy League schools shouldn't have to pay back their loans...in fact, they shouldn't have to pay anything...theses schools should be free because their educations are worthless...g.
Are these the same people who think calling somebody by a pronoun they don't like is an aggression?
I'm more glad every day for sending my kids to "second tier" state schools, where they just became engineers and HR professionals and whatnot, rather than pedigreed idiots.
Wow. I guess left of center Ivy League students should get comped for how little they get out of their educations.
This has been going on for at least a quarter century. In the late 1990s, at Rutgers University, I also experienced these "benefits" of being in the conservative minority. The issues were different back then, but I can remember getting an F on a "reaction" (read: opinion) paper in PoliSci because my opinion was too conservative. I was a straight-A student and wasn't about to let some liberal professor's bias ruin my GPA, so I escalated the matter. The dept head (also extremely liberal) was on the teacher's side, so I appealed to the dean. The end result was a "compromise": While the other students only had to write five of the six assigned papers (they could choose which one to skip), my F paper would count as my 'skip' and be dropped.
In other words, I had to write six papers while everyone else only had to write five. (My grades mysteriously improved after that, and I ended up with an A in the class.) I guess this aided in my development of thicker skin and resilience?
On the bright side, the dept head insulted me in the following manner: "Your paper reads like something written by William F. Buckley," she sneered. "Thank you!" I said, brightening considerably. I then proceeded to write a letter to Mr. Buckley about it, and he printed it in the next issue of National Review!
Went to a potted Ivy League school in 1950s. Same thing happened. But the Dean said, don't worry about it, feed the prof what he wants to hear and don't take anymore of his courses.