Just watched it tonight and LOVED how it just went there - on ALL the theres. We need the freedom to be offensive - about anything and everything (yes, even that thing *you* [whoeveryou are] think is beyond the pale), especially in the realm of comedy. It's better for our emotional well-being to have to learn to move beyond things that hurt our feelings than to call it all "literal violence" and become what David Sedaris recently called (somewhere here on TFP) "hot house flowers."
Brady finally responding to Hart: "F--- you, Kevin!"... LONG overdue. Like, for years.
And Brady himself has implied that Gisele's relationship with her BJJ coach may have started during their marriage... if so, she deserved all the shade that was thrown her way.
unfunny assholes will take it too far. Which triggers another Puritanical overcorrection down the line.
people, leave the ultra-crass humor to the professionals. Nobody wants fans at an NBA game to form a team and stand on the court saying, "We got next".
You wanna make a joke about picking cotton? make sure your audience is small, familiar, phoneless, and ... be ready to apologize if you bomb.
Concur. This event revealed that a gathering of like-minded folks can have stupid fun without fear of reprisal. No one was hurt, and everyone participating was in on the joke.
It was the most A-List "Cards Against Humanity" game ever!
And as a reminder to detractors: No one forced you to watch it.
There is something truly lovely about a man who thinks that jokes and pokes at the mother of his children are fun but knows that a joke about Roger Kraft is always crossing the line. Fun with limits!
Man, that was so interesting that in middle of some absolutely brutal insults, it was the one joke where he actually got up and said, “No more of that sh-.”
Last night, a friend sent me a YT video of a black guy named Polo who did his reaction to Don Rickles at the roast for Redd Foxx. Lots of black jokes and lots of black attendees laughing at them.
He thought it was funny, but “can you even joke like this anymore?”
Suzy, Are smokers who finally kick cigarette smoking by using the patch, cheaters? What about alcoholics who finally quit thanks to naltrexone or acamprosate?
I’ve fought my weight my entire life. Most successfully in graduate school where through highly restrictive dieting and insane amounts of daily exercise dropped 150 lbs and kept it off for 4 years. I’ve since yo-yoed back and forth over the last 30 years.
Wegovy shut down the food chatter. I can’t eat whatever I want and I also have to exercise but the power of Wegovy is astounding. I don’t know why I ever got so fat to begin with. I am trying to explore that as I read Johann Hari’s amazing, insightful and well-researched book (thank you Johann). But I don’t think my new found progress means I’m cheating. I think it means I deserve a damn break.
Maybe you meant to be funny and light. And maybe you have never had to struggle with your weight. But as I struggle and cope with the last societal approved stigma, can I ask you not to think of people taking new drugs as cheating? Please.
technically, yes to all those questions. but that doesn't mean the "cheaters" should be stigmatized.
only a small fraction of people who battle most addictions can beat it mind over matter without supplementing from another source.
The reason you shouldn't be judged is that every single one of us would have the same long odds of beating it without pharma supplementation if we were in the same boat.
No Fit person should ever crow about being Fit compared to the Fatties unless they were a Fatty to start with and they had no help other than their iron will. That is a very small percentage of the population.
I know I couldn't do it.
If you're Fit, be grateful your brain and body is calibrated to that end. You don't deserve congratulations for simply maintaining a well calibrated system that defaults to fitness.
If you're Fat and need GLP-1's, surgery, whatever, no one should say boo unless they walked in your shoes at one point.
But ... Surgery and GLP's should not be presented as the "Ideal" solution. that is an Overcorrection that leads the Pediatric medical societies to recommend that first line for kids. That fitness is White supremacist and other such nonsense.
Indeed. As an obesity medicine physician, I second your thoughts. Some of the most self-disciplined individual's I have ever known are patients who, despite needing help, have radically change what normal, daily living looks like and have gotten much healthier. I have a patient at present who through similar efforts has lost from 286lbs to about 205lbs now. She has become a runner over the past 3 years. She eats very clean, runs 10+ hours per week, and is presently training for a 1/2 marathon...she remains above 200lbs. She likely has more self-discipline and lives healthier than most thin people reading this post. Why?! This is a very complex and difficult disease to treat.
Michael, your patient sounds like she has recovered from obesity through hard work of good diet, sleep and exercise. That is good. I wish all physicians prescribed this method of recovery. As a clinician, you know that Ozempic is to be taken for an entire lifetime, once started. Science doesn’t yet know the negative impact to the body when a drug paralyzes the stomach for a lifetime. Doesn’t seem natural. My layman’s read is there might also be negative impact to gut produced serotonin? The scary part (still unproven) is whether this could have crossover impact to brain/mood.
I preordered it after listening to this Ozempic interview. I’m not the biggest Tucker fan, but I do enjoy when he lets his guests speak like in this one:
The "stomach paralysis" is a widely held misconception. This class of medication has been on the market since 2005 (look up Byetta). It slows gastric emptying. It is wantonly, or ignorantly hyperbolic to say it paralyzes the stomach. In fact, it turns out many, if not most, with obesity lack the normal slowing of the stomach that should be triggered by food intake. This is a normal function induced by a hormone called GLP-1 (glucagon-like peptide-1) produced by the L-cells of the small intestine. Folks with obesity often are not producing enough of this hormone, or have GLP-1a receptors in the stomach that are insensitive to this hormone. Medications like Wegovy/Ozempic/Zepbound, etc. stimulate these receptors to improve this normal functioning to put these people on level footing with those who are not burdened with this. There is a whole lot of uninformed opinion that is making a difficult to treat condition even more so, and fostering unnecessary shaming. Don't' get me wrong, I'm not above shaming...there are things that are shameful and of which we should be ashamed, but abnormal physiologic function is not among them.
Thanks for your reply, Michael. I like to preface myself by saying 'in my current thinking' so I remain open to changing my mind, or at least be open to new ideas when they come along that make sense. Your reply helps me in this path. My brother-in-law is a gastro PA (20 years) so I've had some talks with him also about Ozempic. He had some similar thoughts as you. I recall him informing that they have to watch patients who took Montegrity (for constipation) as certain patients it could increase suicide risk, because that drug wasn't specific to gut serotonin. But Ozempic, in his view, was specific enough to gut seotonin. He went on to say that more studies are needed but this was current view. The item that he said frustrated him the most right now was actually marijuana, and how its chronic use on patients he sees causes severe nausea, pain, vomiting and also weight loss. He went on to explain that big time mary jane use by some were resulting in multiple ER and specialty visits, expensive tests. And people are so addicted to weed and such a fight for its legitimacy, that many of his patients won't accept its behind their symptoms. The takeaway being that its costing the healthcare system billions and nobody is talking about it.
On the Ozempic front again, I think I'm jaded a bit by recent history of physicians innovating where innovation isn't really needed. Specifically thinking of the Oxy opioid epidemic (when Percocet or Vicodin was already sufficient) that physicians got so many Americans hooked on, with just awful consequences. Novo Nordisk stock forecast looks like a hockey stick. They are awash in $$. So was Purdue Pharma and they rained benjamin's down upon doctors to push & prescribe their drug. If Novo (and doctors) act the same, it means more and more people getting on this lifetime drug Ozempic (or Zebound/Wegovy) -- even if there are other alternatives. It's also strange to me that Ozempic isn't yet approved in certain EU countries. I think this has mostly to do with reserving availability to those the governing bodies deem as priorities (diabetics) over folks who are on road to diabetes, but not quite there yet. While other countries banning sales due to still unknown side effects. Or am I wrong about that? Cheers,
If we were to ban all drugs, or not permit to market all drugs that we are not certain of all the potential long-term side effects, we would have precisely zero drugs on the market. The practice of medicine is necessarily unsafe, because disease and illness is unsafe. Everything has risks. In medicine, our job is simply to do our best to determine which is more dangerous - the disease or the treatment. I have heard of a lot of people in my career harmed in some way by medications and surgeries. I have heard and seen orders of magnitude more harmed by uncontrolled obesity. As I stated, this class of medication has been out for nearly 20 years. Also, I’m not sure who these physicians are that drug companies are showering with money to prescribe their drug (though, honestly, I wish pharmaceutical companies could not be involved in funding research, but that’s another discussion). I’ve been practicing medicine for nearly a quarter of a century and I’ve never been paid to prescribe a medication. I am certain that there are physicians out there who would consider going their conscience and take money to prescribe medication were it offered, but I do not believe that’s most.
“I’m not sure who these physicians are that drug companies are showering with money to prescribe their drug”
Perhaps read up on the Sackler Family/Purdue Pharma example? :
“There is overwhelming evidence that the opioid crisis—which has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars (and counting)—has been created or exacerbated by webs of influence woven by several pharmaceutical companies. These webs involve health professionals, patient advocacy groups, medical professional societies, research universities, teaching hospitals, public health agencies, policymakers, and legislators. Opioid companies built these webs as part of corporate strategies of influence that were designed to expand the opioid market from cancer patients to larger groups of patients with acute or chronic pain, to increase dosage as well as opioid use, to downplay the risks of addiction and abuse, and to characterize physicians’ concerns about the addiction and abuse risks as “opiophobia.”
Apologies if layman like me draws parallels between Oxycotin push and now Ozempic push. Oxy was reserved for cancer patients, until it $ wasn’t. Ozempic for diabetics, until it $ wasn’t.
Or, a more recent example. I think the Pharma industry (and its supporters) are on Covid booster # 9 now.
I think you are a physician that advocates for improved metabolic health by natural means first. If so, you are to be applauded.
I.e. if a fish tank is dirty, clean the fish tank, rather than simply drug the fish
Thank you for sharing your experience. I was relieved to hear what you had to say about the “frozen stomach.” As a researcher myself, I second your thoughts on research by MD’s and by PhD’s, and the risks vs benefits of medications.
I enjoyed this article so much. You should have included that google fired 27 employees and EVERYONE moved on. No outrage. No trending for days. Forgotten. Gone. Bring back sane life.
Sorry Suzy. I am old enough to know what actual old school comedy is and old school roasts were. Peyton, Bledsoe especially Bill Belichick were old school. Most routines, especially those by the professional comedians seemed to think it was a contest to see who could drop the most F-bombs per minute., And the antithesis of old school were the attacks on Brady’s ex wife. Please show me an old school routine where family (or ex family) members who were not on the podium or in the audience were attacked.
Stephen, the "Old School" Roasters were cleaning it up for you. You wanna know how they sounded behind closed doors? the Brady roast was time compared to that.
Bledsoe saying, “I’ve experienced a few things you never will: I know what it feels like to be the number one overall draft pick, and to have a 28th wedding anniversary, which was yesterday,” was so brutal. I didn’t love all the jokes, and some of the roasters were awful, but there were some good moments.
Agree. As I mentioned I thought Bledsoe and Belichick were funny, well delivered and and biting as one would expect in a Roast. And they were aimed at the appropriate people. Some of the others had good jokes, but the over use of f-bombs bored me and some of the comments concerning Brady's ex-wife I found offensive in that they would get back to their kids from classmates and friends.
Just watched it tonight and LOVED how it just went there - on ALL the theres. We need the freedom to be offensive - about anything and everything (yes, even that thing *you* [whoeveryou are] think is beyond the pale), especially in the realm of comedy. It's better for our emotional well-being to have to learn to move beyond things that hurt our feelings than to call it all "literal violence" and become what David Sedaris recently called (somewhere here on TFP) "hot house flowers."
Who is Tom Brady?
What does this have to do with anything?
It harks back to a time when we censored our language around actual children instead of the adult children on campuses and in newsrooms.
Nikki Glaser's set was killer.
Brady finally responding to Hart: "F--- you, Kevin!"... LONG overdue. Like, for years.
And Brady himself has implied that Gisele's relationship with her BJJ coach may have started during their marriage... if so, she deserved all the shade that was thrown her way.
I thought Tony absolutely killed, except, I didn't like his joke about cotton deadlifting.
But Tony doesn't look like he knows what a deadlift is so he may have been out of his depth on that one.
I woulda said something like:
"Hart's ancestors were too short to pick cotton so they put them to work in the South's first chocolate factory".
then tag it with an oompa doompa song with a crass punch line. I dunno, just spitballin'
But Suzy, the problem is .....
unfunny assholes will take it too far. Which triggers another Puritanical overcorrection down the line.
people, leave the ultra-crass humor to the professionals. Nobody wants fans at an NBA game to form a team and stand on the court saying, "We got next".
You wanna make a joke about picking cotton? make sure your audience is small, familiar, phoneless, and ... be ready to apologize if you bomb.
Concur. This event revealed that a gathering of like-minded folks can have stupid fun without fear of reprisal. No one was hurt, and everyone participating was in on the joke.
It was the most A-List "Cards Against Humanity" game ever!
And as a reminder to detractors: No one forced you to watch it.
There is something truly lovely about a man who thinks that jokes and pokes at the mother of his children are fun but knows that a joke about Roger Kraft is always crossing the line. Fun with limits!
Man, that was so interesting that in middle of some absolutely brutal insults, it was the one joke where he actually got up and said, “No more of that sh-.”
Last night, a friend sent me a YT video of a black guy named Polo who did his reaction to Don Rickles at the roast for Redd Foxx. Lots of black jokes and lots of black attendees laughing at them.
He thought it was funny, but “can you even joke like this anymore?”
‘Fraid not.
Fun never left.
Fun is on trial in New York for trumped up "crimes"...
Suzy, Are smokers who finally kick cigarette smoking by using the patch, cheaters? What about alcoholics who finally quit thanks to naltrexone or acamprosate?
I’ve fought my weight my entire life. Most successfully in graduate school where through highly restrictive dieting and insane amounts of daily exercise dropped 150 lbs and kept it off for 4 years. I’ve since yo-yoed back and forth over the last 30 years.
Wegovy shut down the food chatter. I can’t eat whatever I want and I also have to exercise but the power of Wegovy is astounding. I don’t know why I ever got so fat to begin with. I am trying to explore that as I read Johann Hari’s amazing, insightful and well-researched book (thank you Johann). But I don’t think my new found progress means I’m cheating. I think it means I deserve a damn break.
Maybe you meant to be funny and light. And maybe you have never had to struggle with your weight. But as I struggle and cope with the last societal approved stigma, can I ask you not to think of people taking new drugs as cheating? Please.
technically, yes to all those questions. but that doesn't mean the "cheaters" should be stigmatized.
only a small fraction of people who battle most addictions can beat it mind over matter without supplementing from another source.
The reason you shouldn't be judged is that every single one of us would have the same long odds of beating it without pharma supplementation if we were in the same boat.
No Fit person should ever crow about being Fit compared to the Fatties unless they were a Fatty to start with and they had no help other than their iron will. That is a very small percentage of the population.
I know I couldn't do it.
If you're Fit, be grateful your brain and body is calibrated to that end. You don't deserve congratulations for simply maintaining a well calibrated system that defaults to fitness.
If you're Fat and need GLP-1's, surgery, whatever, no one should say boo unless they walked in your shoes at one point.
But ... Surgery and GLP's should not be presented as the "Ideal" solution. that is an Overcorrection that leads the Pediatric medical societies to recommend that first line for kids. That fitness is White supremacist and other such nonsense.
Let's have a balanced take on this eh?
Suzy writes an article saying "Fun is Back" ... then we have this response....
Perhaps this article wasn't meant for you?
Fair enough. I still would like her to be aware of my point.
Indeed. As an obesity medicine physician, I second your thoughts. Some of the most self-disciplined individual's I have ever known are patients who, despite needing help, have radically change what normal, daily living looks like and have gotten much healthier. I have a patient at present who through similar efforts has lost from 286lbs to about 205lbs now. She has become a runner over the past 3 years. She eats very clean, runs 10+ hours per week, and is presently training for a 1/2 marathon...she remains above 200lbs. She likely has more self-discipline and lives healthier than most thin people reading this post. Why?! This is a very complex and difficult disease to treat.
Michael, your patient sounds like she has recovered from obesity through hard work of good diet, sleep and exercise. That is good. I wish all physicians prescribed this method of recovery. As a clinician, you know that Ozempic is to be taken for an entire lifetime, once started. Science doesn’t yet know the negative impact to the body when a drug paralyzes the stomach for a lifetime. Doesn’t seem natural. My layman’s read is there might also be negative impact to gut produced serotonin? The scary part (still unproven) is whether this could have crossover impact to brain/mood.
I’m eagerly awaiting arrival of this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Good-Energy-Surprising-Connection-Metabolism/dp/0593712641
I preordered it after listening to this Ozempic interview. I’m not the biggest Tucker fan, but I do enjoy when he lets his guests speak like in this one:
https://youtu.be/vzRjkNYT-U8?si=o_2GVvaVH12sVBfS
The "stomach paralysis" is a widely held misconception. This class of medication has been on the market since 2005 (look up Byetta). It slows gastric emptying. It is wantonly, or ignorantly hyperbolic to say it paralyzes the stomach. In fact, it turns out many, if not most, with obesity lack the normal slowing of the stomach that should be triggered by food intake. This is a normal function induced by a hormone called GLP-1 (glucagon-like peptide-1) produced by the L-cells of the small intestine. Folks with obesity often are not producing enough of this hormone, or have GLP-1a receptors in the stomach that are insensitive to this hormone. Medications like Wegovy/Ozempic/Zepbound, etc. stimulate these receptors to improve this normal functioning to put these people on level footing with those who are not burdened with this. There is a whole lot of uninformed opinion that is making a difficult to treat condition even more so, and fostering unnecessary shaming. Don't' get me wrong, I'm not above shaming...there are things that are shameful and of which we should be ashamed, but abnormal physiologic function is not among them.
Thanks for your reply, Michael. I like to preface myself by saying 'in my current thinking' so I remain open to changing my mind, or at least be open to new ideas when they come along that make sense. Your reply helps me in this path. My brother-in-law is a gastro PA (20 years) so I've had some talks with him also about Ozempic. He had some similar thoughts as you. I recall him informing that they have to watch patients who took Montegrity (for constipation) as certain patients it could increase suicide risk, because that drug wasn't specific to gut serotonin. But Ozempic, in his view, was specific enough to gut seotonin. He went on to say that more studies are needed but this was current view. The item that he said frustrated him the most right now was actually marijuana, and how its chronic use on patients he sees causes severe nausea, pain, vomiting and also weight loss. He went on to explain that big time mary jane use by some were resulting in multiple ER and specialty visits, expensive tests. And people are so addicted to weed and such a fight for its legitimacy, that many of his patients won't accept its behind their symptoms. The takeaway being that its costing the healthcare system billions and nobody is talking about it.
On the Ozempic front again, I think I'm jaded a bit by recent history of physicians innovating where innovation isn't really needed. Specifically thinking of the Oxy opioid epidemic (when Percocet or Vicodin was already sufficient) that physicians got so many Americans hooked on, with just awful consequences. Novo Nordisk stock forecast looks like a hockey stick. They are awash in $$. So was Purdue Pharma and they rained benjamin's down upon doctors to push & prescribe their drug. If Novo (and doctors) act the same, it means more and more people getting on this lifetime drug Ozempic (or Zebound/Wegovy) -- even if there are other alternatives. It's also strange to me that Ozempic isn't yet approved in certain EU countries. I think this has mostly to do with reserving availability to those the governing bodies deem as priorities (diabetics) over folks who are on road to diabetes, but not quite there yet. While other countries banning sales due to still unknown side effects. Or am I wrong about that? Cheers,
If we were to ban all drugs, or not permit to market all drugs that we are not certain of all the potential long-term side effects, we would have precisely zero drugs on the market. The practice of medicine is necessarily unsafe, because disease and illness is unsafe. Everything has risks. In medicine, our job is simply to do our best to determine which is more dangerous - the disease or the treatment. I have heard of a lot of people in my career harmed in some way by medications and surgeries. I have heard and seen orders of magnitude more harmed by uncontrolled obesity. As I stated, this class of medication has been out for nearly 20 years. Also, I’m not sure who these physicians are that drug companies are showering with money to prescribe their drug (though, honestly, I wish pharmaceutical companies could not be involved in funding research, but that’s another discussion). I’ve been practicing medicine for nearly a quarter of a century and I’ve never been paid to prescribe a medication. I am certain that there are physicians out there who would consider going their conscience and take money to prescribe medication were it offered, but I do not believe that’s most.
“I’m not sure who these physicians are that drug companies are showering with money to prescribe their drug”
Perhaps read up on the Sackler Family/Purdue Pharma example? :
“There is overwhelming evidence that the opioid crisis—which has cost hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars (and counting)—has been created or exacerbated by webs of influence woven by several pharmaceutical companies. These webs involve health professionals, patient advocacy groups, medical professional societies, research universities, teaching hospitals, public health agencies, policymakers, and legislators. Opioid companies built these webs as part of corporate strategies of influence that were designed to expand the opioid market from cancer patients to larger groups of patients with acute or chronic pain, to increase dosage as well as opioid use, to downplay the risks of addiction and abuse, and to characterize physicians’ concerns about the addiction and abuse risks as “opiophobia.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7357445/
Apologies if layman like me draws parallels between Oxycotin push and now Ozempic push. Oxy was reserved for cancer patients, until it $ wasn’t. Ozempic for diabetics, until it $ wasn’t.
Or, a more recent example. I think the Pharma industry (and its supporters) are on Covid booster # 9 now.
I think you are a physician that advocates for improved metabolic health by natural means first. If so, you are to be applauded.
I.e. if a fish tank is dirty, clean the fish tank, rather than simply drug the fish
Thank you for sharing your experience. I was relieved to hear what you had to say about the “frozen stomach.” As a researcher myself, I second your thoughts on research by MD’s and by PhD’s, and the risks vs benefits of medications.
I enjoyed this article so much. You should have included that google fired 27 employees and EVERYONE moved on. No outrage. No trending for days. Forgotten. Gone. Bring back sane life.
You can only "poke the bear" so many times before it gets up and "pokes" back.
Initially, when it "pokes" back its responses are over the top but eventually it will just settle down to eat you, having fun one bite at a time.
Sorry Suzy. I am old enough to know what actual old school comedy is and old school roasts were. Peyton, Bledsoe especially Bill Belichick were old school. Most routines, especially those by the professional comedians seemed to think it was a contest to see who could drop the most F-bombs per minute., And the antithesis of old school were the attacks on Brady’s ex wife. Please show me an old school routine where family (or ex family) members who were not on the podium or in the audience were attacked.
Stephen, the "Old School" Roasters were cleaning it up for you. You wanna know how they sounded behind closed doors? the Brady roast was time compared to that.
Oh so true. The king of insult is and always will be Don Rickles.
Don Rickles was smiling down from Jew heaven! (which Hashem basically modeled after Boca Raton, Fla)
Bledsoe saying, “I’ve experienced a few things you never will: I know what it feels like to be the number one overall draft pick, and to have a 28th wedding anniversary, which was yesterday,” was so brutal. I didn’t love all the jokes, and some of the roasters were awful, but there were some good moments.
Agree. As I mentioned I thought Bledsoe and Belichick were funny, well delivered and and biting as one would expect in a Roast. And they were aimed at the appropriate people. Some of the others had good jokes, but the over use of f-bombs bored me and some of the comments concerning Brady's ex-wife I found offensive in that they would get back to their kids from classmates and friends.
It *was* fun. Some unbelievably refreshing raunch in there.