Only problem is that finance people get paid according to their proximity to a giant stream of money instead of to their actual productivity or to the products they bring to market and sell. :\
20th Century Fox Television canceled “Firefly” before even the full first season had aired. I’m a Browncoat, dyed in the blood. “May have been on the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.”
I respect what Murdoch has done in his life; I will never celebrate his achievements, only mourn his greatest mistake.
Midwestern mom in her 40s here. Married to a nice man who went into wealth management. He’s 6’3” with blue eyes (not that it actually matters) and we live a very nice life. But, what makes him a standout is his leadership of our family, his moral fortitude and the way he takes care of his staff and clients. This life isn’t for everyone but I think it’s beautiful and if people can see below Suzy’s humor here (which I love, by the way) I think she’s saying that masculinity might be making a comeback and it’s high time. We need strong men in the world. And frankly, I think the majority of straight women (gay too, Suzy? ;), whether they admit it or not, want a guy who is driven and successful.
A cautionary tale: I spent most of my 20s dating a quintessential finance bro who embodied every stereotype: high paying bank job, frat boy, crew rower and had ESPN constantly on in the background. While he was a blast on the weekends, he was deeply emotionally unavailable. Over time, he spiraled into becoming an insufferable alcoholic and adrenaline junkie. After we broke up, I discovered he had been cheating for most of our relationship.
The real secret? Date a construction worker. Treats women like god's greatest gift, has a stable job and can fix anything.
Perhaps the heart of the matter is that people are nuanced and don’t generally typecast all that well.
For every hundred frat boys who just want to slam every slutty sorority girl they can find and have backup when they start a fight they can’t finish, there’s that one who legitimately wants to hold on to the traditions of old and learns more than the Greek alphabet to get through rush week.
While most “finance bros” (or politicians, or fill-in-the-blank) may generally fit that same mold, they do not represent the whole.
Conversely… not every soldier is a hero (I say this as a 25-year war vet and US Army retiree), not every “soi-boi” is a giant pussy (they are, however, seemingly all willfully ignorant about nutrition), plenty of construction workers and landscapers break their own marriages, most successful country singers today (pop music with a twang) grew up in LA and have never driven a tractor or worked a ranch, etc.
There are good (and bad) men in every sector; my advice to women: stop treating relationships like a job interview or a checklist. My advice to men: go gay; the great girl I would love to meet is extremely rare and, with a face like mine, I cannot afford the competition.
“I am still one of the most oppressed minorities living in the West today.
Love the contrast. I think Emma is correct. Most women want the real thing, and you had to suffer through a chapter of finance bro crap to return to the person who can defend his family when the rent-seekers are panicking.
Not all finance bros are deeply emotionally unavailable, that may have predated (no pun intended) your awareness of it, or like many, we don't see/don't want to see the red flags during dating.
Suzy, luv ya, but this essay misses the mark. These rowing finance dudes were just no salary startup guys eleventyseven seconds ago. The complete dork-out of SBF and the virility of the Twins are states of being unrelated in every way to finance. The Twins were disciplined athletes before, during and after Zuck and blockchain. That Zuck is an athlete is his one redeeming characteristic IMO. Zuck and the Twin share disciplined attention to their cognition and physiology. SBF embodies the look and feel of a dick who rejects such a commitment. The Twins, if hammered again by events, such as a shitty partner or another crypto-winter will likely recreate themselves. "the sweet-enough guy—and it doesn’t matter how, and you won’t understand it, so don’t bother asking"? I'm calling bullshit. Open your mind to the reality that you CAN understand it and you CAN ask and answer why.
I suspect the only thing women of the TikTok generation would want from "a man in finance" is money to support them in the lavish lifestyle they think they deserve . . . and the vast majority of them will be disappointed.
A quick check of one "delusion calculator" available online suggests the man from the "man in finance" meme does not exist: according to census data, there are no single American men age 22-45 who are 6'5" with blue eyes and a salary over $500,000. Another such calculator which doesn't include eye color sets the probability of finding such a man at 0.0007%.
If young women really wanted "stability, predictability, virility" perhaps they should instead be looking for blue-collar men who might actually be willing to commit to building a life together. But such men seem to be invisible to the TikTok generation - especially if they're under 6' tall and have an income of less than six figures.
It is amazing, and a bit of sad commentary on the modern moment, that it is remarkable that stability, predictability, and virility might be attractive features of a man to women interested in a mate.
These are also qualities in mean that serve as the foundation of solid communities.
I'm not so sure finance bros are the archtype males demonstrating these qualities.
And in fact I think it really does matter where the money comes from, and how it is earned.
The values that drive leveraged buy-outs and corporate raiding, are probably not the values we want driving community leaders.
From my experience, the finance world today is dominated by nerdy tech types. It's a lot of Asian database engineers arguing over how to use NumPy to process billions of rows of transactions every day, or ex-video-game engineers who moved from the fun but underpaid world of GPU programming to the more stable world of designing HFT algos. They are then managed by a sea of DEI hires. If you're a 22-year-old male with a degree in finance, good luck getting a second glance at that resume. They'd rather have the person who either fills their quota checkbox or can design an AI-driven trading system. The exceptions are the ones with the drive and innovation to start their own businesses, and those are few and far between (and likely have *no* problem getting laid).
The one thing that's true about DEI is that the wave of unqualified hires washes out quickly, at least in areas where objective metrics assess performance (finance, sales, etc.).
I personally know two white males that recently graduated from Dartmouth than went straight into High Finance in Boston..................not that it means anything, but it didn't seem to be too hard for them to get that job after a NYC internship on Wall Street. 30-40% of Ivy League undergraduates go into high finance currently......
Oh; there are white guys. But not the hot sportsmen finance bros of old; the computer nerds or math major quants provide a far greater value while being well-spoken and good looking aren't as important since deals aren't made in person anymore.
Only problem is that finance people get paid according to their proximity to a giant stream of money instead of to their actual productivity or to the products they bring to market and sell. :\
If it equates to stability, yes.
Have women always cared about money this passionately?
Well, the gold-diggers have, for sure...
20th Century Fox Television canceled “Firefly” before even the full first season had aired. I’m a Browncoat, dyed in the blood. “May have been on the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.”
I respect what Murdoch has done in his life; I will never celebrate his achievements, only mourn his greatest mistake.
Midwestern mom in her 40s here. Married to a nice man who went into wealth management. He’s 6’3” with blue eyes (not that it actually matters) and we live a very nice life. But, what makes him a standout is his leadership of our family, his moral fortitude and the way he takes care of his staff and clients. This life isn’t for everyone but I think it’s beautiful and if people can see below Suzy’s humor here (which I love, by the way) I think she’s saying that masculinity might be making a comeback and it’s high time. We need strong men in the world. And frankly, I think the majority of straight women (gay too, Suzy? ;), whether they admit it or not, want a guy who is driven and successful.
gotta say, that cover photo is perfection!!
A cautionary tale: I spent most of my 20s dating a quintessential finance bro who embodied every stereotype: high paying bank job, frat boy, crew rower and had ESPN constantly on in the background. While he was a blast on the weekends, he was deeply emotionally unavailable. Over time, he spiraled into becoming an insufferable alcoholic and adrenaline junkie. After we broke up, I discovered he had been cheating for most of our relationship.
The real secret? Date a construction worker. Treats women like god's greatest gift, has a stable job and can fix anything.
Your comment was more entertaining than the article. Well done.
Perhaps the heart of the matter is that people are nuanced and don’t generally typecast all that well.
For every hundred frat boys who just want to slam every slutty sorority girl they can find and have backup when they start a fight they can’t finish, there’s that one who legitimately wants to hold on to the traditions of old and learns more than the Greek alphabet to get through rush week.
While most “finance bros” (or politicians, or fill-in-the-blank) may generally fit that same mold, they do not represent the whole.
Conversely… not every soldier is a hero (I say this as a 25-year war vet and US Army retiree), not every “soi-boi” is a giant pussy (they are, however, seemingly all willfully ignorant about nutrition), plenty of construction workers and landscapers break their own marriages, most successful country singers today (pop music with a twang) grew up in LA and have never driven a tractor or worked a ranch, etc.
There are good (and bad) men in every sector; my advice to women: stop treating relationships like a job interview or a checklist. My advice to men: go gay; the great girl I would love to meet is extremely rare and, with a face like mine, I cannot afford the competition.
“I am still one of the most oppressed minorities living in the West today.
I am an individual.”
- Will Franken
Love the contrast. I think Emma is correct. Most women want the real thing, and you had to suffer through a chapter of finance bro crap to return to the person who can defend his family when the rent-seekers are panicking.
I think you spelled engineer wrong! JK. Kind of.
Not all finance bros are deeply emotionally unavailable, that may have predated (no pun intended) your awareness of it, or like many, we don't see/don't want to see the red flags during dating.
Suzy, luv ya, but this essay misses the mark. These rowing finance dudes were just no salary startup guys eleventyseven seconds ago. The complete dork-out of SBF and the virility of the Twins are states of being unrelated in every way to finance. The Twins were disciplined athletes before, during and after Zuck and blockchain. That Zuck is an athlete is his one redeeming characteristic IMO. Zuck and the Twin share disciplined attention to their cognition and physiology. SBF embodies the look and feel of a dick who rejects such a commitment. The Twins, if hammered again by events, such as a shitty partner or another crypto-winter will likely recreate themselves. "the sweet-enough guy—and it doesn’t matter how, and you won’t understand it, so don’t bother asking"? I'm calling bullshit. Open your mind to the reality that you CAN understand it and you CAN ask and answer why.
Is Zuck an athlete or does he just play one?
Exactly what struck me in the above: “Zuck is an athlete” hahaha
Suzy, you are a jewel! I love your wit and incision! Humans are so messy and illogical and you make us see those foibles with fresh eyes. I’m a fan!
Your dating advice lacks soul. I'm sorely tempted to point out stereotypes
I suspect the only thing women of the TikTok generation would want from "a man in finance" is money to support them in the lavish lifestyle they think they deserve . . . and the vast majority of them will be disappointed.
A quick check of one "delusion calculator" available online suggests the man from the "man in finance" meme does not exist: according to census data, there are no single American men age 22-45 who are 6'5" with blue eyes and a salary over $500,000. Another such calculator which doesn't include eye color sets the probability of finding such a man at 0.0007%.
If young women really wanted "stability, predictability, virility" perhaps they should instead be looking for blue-collar men who might actually be willing to commit to building a life together. But such men seem to be invisible to the TikTok generation - especially if they're under 6' tall and have an income of less than six figures.
While I think Suzy is right, it needs to be said.
It is amazing, and a bit of sad commentary on the modern moment, that it is remarkable that stability, predictability, and virility might be attractive features of a man to women interested in a mate.
These are also qualities in mean that serve as the foundation of solid communities.
I'm not so sure finance bros are the archtype males demonstrating these qualities.
And in fact I think it really does matter where the money comes from, and how it is earned.
The values that drive leveraged buy-outs and corporate raiding, are probably not the values we want driving community leaders.
But I may be asking for too much.
You're American... you like sugar!
Here's sugar!
Here, have some more sugar!
Don't worry. The other piece this week proves that we are on top of the efforts by one group to hijack the nation through law courts...
Here's more sugar!
Free sugar, America!
Sugar!
Eat it up!
Sugar!
The Democratic Party of America, DELENDA EST.
From my experience, the finance world today is dominated by nerdy tech types. It's a lot of Asian database engineers arguing over how to use NumPy to process billions of rows of transactions every day, or ex-video-game engineers who moved from the fun but underpaid world of GPU programming to the more stable world of designing HFT algos. They are then managed by a sea of DEI hires. If you're a 22-year-old male with a degree in finance, good luck getting a second glance at that resume. They'd rather have the person who either fills their quota checkbox or can design an AI-driven trading system. The exceptions are the ones with the drive and innovation to start their own businesses, and those are few and far between (and likely have *no* problem getting laid).
The one thing that's true about DEI is that the wave of unqualified hires washes out quickly, at least in areas where objective metrics assess performance (finance, sales, etc.).
I personally know two white males that recently graduated from Dartmouth than went straight into High Finance in Boston..................not that it means anything, but it didn't seem to be too hard for them to get that job after a NYC internship on Wall Street. 30-40% of Ivy League undergraduates go into high finance currently......
Oh; there are white guys. But not the hot sportsmen finance bros of old; the computer nerds or math major quants provide a far greater value while being well-spoken and good looking aren't as important since deals aren't made in person anymore.