I agree. Republicans are idiots. Most pro life people like myself believe in abortion with restrictions but no late term abortions. Nikki Haley has a very good option with abortion, the Republicans need to embrace this, unify under it or they will continue to lose.
I agree. Republicans are idiots. Most pro life people like myself believe in abortion with restrictions but no late term abortions. Nikki Haley has a very good option with abortion, the Republicans need to embrace this, unify under it or they will continue to lose.
The VA gov stumped on 15 weeks for this midterm and got nowhere. The official Democrat Party platform is abortion with no restrictions. Hard to call that anything but baby killing.
It's because people don't trust the GOP with the issue at all. Look at what happened in Florida with DeSantis, he signed a 15 week limit with exceptions, and then immediately after his re-election, quietly signed the 6 week limit with much narrower exceptions. Sorry, but Republicans have very little trust and credibility on this issue, particularly when the majority in the Party leadership as well as its base are still talking about outright bans as the goal, and perhaps it's clarifying to read a lot of the comments on this board where people feel pretty comfortable about letting loose on their "opinions" about "loose women" and the obligations some feel they have to the "state" to produce babies in order to keep things clarified about the goals and intent behind these bans.
Consider this to be like the gun control issue on the Right: gun owners and the Right don't trust Democrats with the issue, that targeted bans won't lead to outright bans and attempted repeals at the 2A. And since many Democrats and liberals are pretty open to 2A repeal and/or severe narrow interpretations that would forbid most non-hunting rifle ownership in the nation, it's not without basis. And yet, when polled, many support the ostensibly reasonable regulations that have been proposed, but not when they are championed by only Democrats. Similarly, the "15 week limit and then escalating restrictions for medical necessities" has majority polling support as well, but not when it's proposed by Republicans, and particularly not when it's proposed by Republicans who are on record as desiring of more totalizing bans (as Youngkin has been previously - and stated he would eagerly sign if he had a Republican majority in VA to pass them).
For either issue to get credibility with either base of supporters, it can't be driven solely by partisan interests, and the maximalizing rhetoric that everyone can still hear in the background of the "reasoned solutions" discredits the "reasonable solutions" as just being the slippery slope to the maximalist goal. Really - for any sort of sliding scale of restrictions to pass, they will likely have to be championed by Democrats to pass the smell test for most of the people voting against Republican attempts to limit/restrict and authored in a way that removes, as much as possible, any controlling agency from political authorities or the state and placed as much as possible within the medical practicing community to "self police" the practice - which, as you might know, was the state of things under Roe : /
Politics is and has always been about compromise. Somebody who believes so much in his ideas that he refuses to compromise with a large number of people who think differently is a fanatic, who hurts the interests of his own side by letting the more extreme opponents win elections, craft laws and transform the society in the most evil ways. ThatтАЩs not virtue, itтАЩs selfishness and stupidity.
Compromising about solar panels is one thing, compromising your basic moral principles is another. I think you're calling the wrong crowd fanatics -- please name me ONE Democrat representative or senator who will compromise on any aspect of abortion?
The Dems don't need to compromise - they are trading on fear and it works.
I agree with you on principle, but at this point, it's an impossible position in most places. My governor, Glenn Youngkin, tried to be moderate and rational, and we did not win back the state senate and lost the house to boot. All on abortion ads nonstop. And the Democrats that won in VA are not moderate classic liberals. They are way left progressives.
So if the GOP can't compromise in some way, they will keep losing, and never get ANYWHERE with ANYTHING!? They've been losing since Dobbs and there doesn't look like any end in sight. The Dems use it as their rallying cry and they get out their base every time.
Sadly I don't think a morally principled group that never wins anything helps the country in any way.
Not necessarily. But your thinking about being principled and sticking to your guns, is the way I've always felt, and it's not getting us anywhere. Unfortunately, that conviction doesn't win elections in a broad majority of places.
I do think GOP candidates should go to the media during elections and explain the situation. They never do that. they need to come right and say "The Dem candidate is scaring you into thinking ________ and that's not true. Here's what is true....."
I respect a person who is seriously pro-life and would only approve of it due to rape, incest and health of mother. But they can't get elected in most cases.
The sad truth is that a majority of this country wants abortion to be safe and legal with reasonable restrictions (12 - 15 weeks), and a smaller majority wants abortion to be available on demand, with no restrictions whatsoever, which is what just happened in Ohio, a red state.
The change has to come in people's hearts, and until that happens, the GOP must go another route. They're getting nowhere fast, because this issue is their demise right now. ЁЯШФ
I agree. Republicans are idiots. Most pro life people like myself believe in abortion with restrictions but no late term abortions. Nikki Haley has a very good option with abortion, the Republicans need to embrace this, unify under it or they will continue to lose.
I agree.
The Dems have a winner in abortion.
The Repubs need to give up something, or they will never be able to govern.
The VA gov stumped on 15 weeks for this midterm and got nowhere. The official Democrat Party platform is abortion with no restrictions. Hard to call that anything but baby killing.
It's because people don't trust the GOP with the issue at all. Look at what happened in Florida with DeSantis, he signed a 15 week limit with exceptions, and then immediately after his re-election, quietly signed the 6 week limit with much narrower exceptions. Sorry, but Republicans have very little trust and credibility on this issue, particularly when the majority in the Party leadership as well as its base are still talking about outright bans as the goal, and perhaps it's clarifying to read a lot of the comments on this board where people feel pretty comfortable about letting loose on their "opinions" about "loose women" and the obligations some feel they have to the "state" to produce babies in order to keep things clarified about the goals and intent behind these bans.
Consider this to be like the gun control issue on the Right: gun owners and the Right don't trust Democrats with the issue, that targeted bans won't lead to outright bans and attempted repeals at the 2A. And since many Democrats and liberals are pretty open to 2A repeal and/or severe narrow interpretations that would forbid most non-hunting rifle ownership in the nation, it's not without basis. And yet, when polled, many support the ostensibly reasonable regulations that have been proposed, but not when they are championed by only Democrats. Similarly, the "15 week limit and then escalating restrictions for medical necessities" has majority polling support as well, but not when it's proposed by Republicans, and particularly not when it's proposed by Republicans who are on record as desiring of more totalizing bans (as Youngkin has been previously - and stated he would eagerly sign if he had a Republican majority in VA to pass them).
For either issue to get credibility with either base of supporters, it can't be driven solely by partisan interests, and the maximalizing rhetoric that everyone can still hear in the background of the "reasoned solutions" discredits the "reasonable solutions" as just being the slippery slope to the maximalist goal. Really - for any sort of sliding scale of restrictions to pass, they will likely have to be championed by Democrats to pass the smell test for most of the people voting against Republican attempts to limit/restrict and authored in a way that removes, as much as possible, any controlling agency from political authorities or the state and placed as much as possible within the medical practicing community to "self police" the practice - which, as you might know, was the state of things under Roe : /
Republicans in Virginia advocated legal abortions for 15 weeks. They lost. A moderate postion does not seem to be a winner.
That's in one state, it may work in others. It's better than a flat out ban
What do you think about an individual who would compromise his/her basic principles in order to win an election?
Politics is and has always been about compromise. Somebody who believes so much in his ideas that he refuses to compromise with a large number of people who think differently is a fanatic, who hurts the interests of his own side by letting the more extreme opponents win elections, craft laws and transform the society in the most evil ways. ThatтАЩs not virtue, itтАЩs selfishness and stupidity.
Compromising about solar panels is one thing, compromising your basic moral principles is another. I think you're calling the wrong crowd fanatics -- please name me ONE Democrat representative or senator who will compromise on any aspect of abortion?
The Dems don't need to compromise - they are trading on fear and it works.
I agree with you on principle, but at this point, it's an impossible position in most places. My governor, Glenn Youngkin, tried to be moderate and rational, and we did not win back the state senate and lost the house to boot. All on abortion ads nonstop. And the Democrats that won in VA are not moderate classic liberals. They are way left progressives.
So if the GOP can't compromise in some way, they will keep losing, and never get ANYWHERE with ANYTHING!? They've been losing since Dobbs and there doesn't look like any end in sight. The Dems use it as their rallying cry and they get out their base every time.
Sadly I don't think a morally principled group that never wins anything helps the country in any way.
So you're not saying Rs need to compromise, they need to 100% capitulate? Ds won't accept anything less.
Not necessarily. But your thinking about being principled and sticking to your guns, is the way I've always felt, and it's not getting us anywhere. Unfortunately, that conviction doesn't win elections in a broad majority of places.
I do think GOP candidates should go to the media during elections and explain the situation. They never do that. they need to come right and say "The Dem candidate is scaring you into thinking ________ and that's not true. Here's what is true....."
I respect a person who is seriously pro-life and would only approve of it due to rape, incest and health of mother. But they can't get elected in most cases.
The sad truth is that a majority of this country wants abortion to be safe and legal with reasonable restrictions (12 - 15 weeks), and a smaller majority wants abortion to be available on demand, with no restrictions whatsoever, which is what just happened in Ohio, a red state.
The change has to come in people's hearts, and until that happens, the GOP must go another route. They're getting nowhere fast, because this issue is their demise right now. ЁЯШФ