So, the history of this part of the world did not begin in 1948 and it is way more complex than you are allowing. Secondly, not all Jewish people are Orthodox, not even in Israel. There are Haredi, Dati, Masorti, Hiloni, ranging from ultra Orthodox to secular. Hilonim (tending to be secular) make up the largest Jewish group in Israel. Ba…
So, the history of this part of the world did not begin in 1948 and it is way more complex than you are allowing. Secondly, not all Jewish people are Orthodox, not even in Israel. There are Haredi, Dati, Masorti, Hiloni, ranging from ultra Orthodox to secular. Hilonim (tending to be secular) make up the largest Jewish group in Israel. Basically the majority of Jews living in Israel regard their Jewishness as an ancestral, cultural heritage rather than a religion. Maybe you could do a little more homework on this region and its people before you speak with such confidence. There is no shortage of material, literally thousands of years worth. Shalom.
"So, the history of this part of the world did not begin in 1948"
Did I say that? Yes, complex and going back to the stone age. Interesting tho, even secular Jewish atheists will attempt the argument that God gave the land to them ergo they can disposes the Palestinians if they want to.
I can see that nothing will stop you from displaying your ignorance of the Jewish tradition, religion, and position in Israel, even as you claim Jewish ancestry. By all means, carry on, but as I said, if your interest truly is kindled beyond the shallow tropes you are grasping at today, there is an absolutely enormous wealth of resources available for study. Shalom.
Insults aren't really arguments. I'd like someone to explain to me why we should continue down the same road that has lead us to the current situation. I suggest a change of tactics. I quite understand that most people will stick with what they know of course but there's a wealth of resources available to those who are willing to open their minds to different approaches. Not you of course.
Yes I’m sure you need a lot of things explained to you, Ray. No surprises there. You aren’t making an argument, btw, you are just maundering on about Jews in Israel not being Jewish in Israel in a way you can personally understand and how that would probably turn you into a mad rabid Jew hating, Palestinian human shield using, civilian murdering savage animal, too, so yeah I don’t think you are entitled to anyone’s arguments here. Your garbage comments are getting exactly the type of attention they deserve, buddy.
BTW, there are valid points to make. It is far from certain that an effort to compensate the Palestinians for their stolen property would be successful. Maybe the hatred now runs so deep that buying them out would make no difference, or indeed that they'd take the money and use it to buy more rockets. Perhaps the ultra orthodox rabbis who advocate simply exterminating them are right -- but it wouldn't look good.
Man you just have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry if you think I’m “rabid” but that’s pretty rich coming from the guy who literally said he would be a mad dog if he was in Gaza. Lol. If you mean I have conceded that you are ignorant on this topic, yes, we all did that a while back. Listen, I’m really not wanting to offend you so I apologize that I did. None of us are up to speed on every topic, we are all ignorant about something. This is yours. Talking about land purchases is ironic but you don’t know why because there is just so much you don’t know. That’s fine, but read some history for real. You are not well served by whatever crude amalgam of tv, social media, and half baked post modern academic papers you’ve been steeping in. You can take this reply however you wish Ray, and any last word can be yours as well. Good day to you.
So, the history of this part of the world did not begin in 1948 and it is way more complex than you are allowing. Secondly, not all Jewish people are Orthodox, not even in Israel. There are Haredi, Dati, Masorti, Hiloni, ranging from ultra Orthodox to secular. Hilonim (tending to be secular) make up the largest Jewish group in Israel. Basically the majority of Jews living in Israel regard their Jewishness as an ancestral, cultural heritage rather than a religion. Maybe you could do a little more homework on this region and its people before you speak with such confidence. There is no shortage of material, literally thousands of years worth. Shalom.
"So, the history of this part of the world did not begin in 1948"
Did I say that? Yes, complex and going back to the stone age. Interesting tho, even secular Jewish atheists will attempt the argument that God gave the land to them ergo they can disposes the Palestinians if they want to.
I can see that nothing will stop you from displaying your ignorance of the Jewish tradition, religion, and position in Israel, even as you claim Jewish ancestry. By all means, carry on, but as I said, if your interest truly is kindled beyond the shallow tropes you are grasping at today, there is an absolutely enormous wealth of resources available for study. Shalom.
Insults aren't really arguments. I'd like someone to explain to me why we should continue down the same road that has lead us to the current situation. I suggest a change of tactics. I quite understand that most people will stick with what they know of course but there's a wealth of resources available to those who are willing to open their minds to different approaches. Not you of course.
Yes I’m sure you need a lot of things explained to you, Ray. No surprises there. You aren’t making an argument, btw, you are just maundering on about Jews in Israel not being Jewish in Israel in a way you can personally understand and how that would probably turn you into a mad rabid Jew hating, Palestinian human shield using, civilian murdering savage animal, too, so yeah I don’t think you are entitled to anyone’s arguments here. Your garbage comments are getting exactly the type of attention they deserve, buddy.
I'll take that as a concession. You have no valid points to make, so you just get more rabid.
BTW, there are valid points to make. It is far from certain that an effort to compensate the Palestinians for their stolen property would be successful. Maybe the hatred now runs so deep that buying them out would make no difference, or indeed that they'd take the money and use it to buy more rockets. Perhaps the ultra orthodox rabbis who advocate simply exterminating them are right -- but it wouldn't look good.
Man you just have no idea what you are talking about. Sorry if you think I’m “rabid” but that’s pretty rich coming from the guy who literally said he would be a mad dog if he was in Gaza. Lol. If you mean I have conceded that you are ignorant on this topic, yes, we all did that a while back. Listen, I’m really not wanting to offend you so I apologize that I did. None of us are up to speed on every topic, we are all ignorant about something. This is yours. Talking about land purchases is ironic but you don’t know why because there is just so much you don’t know. That’s fine, but read some history for real. You are not well served by whatever crude amalgam of tv, social media, and half baked post modern academic papers you’ve been steeping in. You can take this reply however you wish Ray, and any last word can be yours as well. Good day to you.