Barr should be banned from conservative discussion. He’s not a conservative; he doesn’t understand Trump despite working under him; he’s envious of Trump and Barr knows history will forget Barr, but well-remember the 2 time President Trump.
Bill Barr's analysis is unimpeachable. This is an easy case; the law is so clear it poses a test for the liberal justices. If they can put their politics aside, a unanimous per curiam opinion - which would be very much in the country's interest --should be eminently achievable.
Stop! Just stop the ranting and raving. President Biden is a disaster. Every thing he does is wrong. Trump is disaster. A moral disgrace that is not an example of any virtue. America, my beloved country, is in deep trouble. Can we not agree that the nation needs the best of us in this time of danger, and that fighting over the dismal actions and lives of these two losers only helps our foes. Let us find different leaders, and let be done quickly.
An excellent article. The Jan 6th demonstrators -- "Democrat"-adjacent media standards of truth allow us to call them "mainly peaceful" -- didn't force their way into the buliding but were let in, needlessly but deliberately, by people who knew what scenario THEY were creating, with the help of agitators outside who together with those inside did more to encourage the "insurrection" (a political media meme designed not to inform but to inflame) than anyone. The invasion delayed, at most temporarily disrupted, the political process. It didn't "overthrow" the system, nor was there any such intention or attempt. The left-wing-encouraged (even the Minneapolis police called their actions "not just right but righteous") insurgents who burned police precincts and federal buildings during the Kristallsommer of 2020 during their attempt to cause maximum destruction to the economy and civic functions were, like their hypocritical, politically-motivated eggers-on, motivated by something much closer to insurrection than anything Trump can be "held to account for", i.e. accused of by a kangaroo court of misinformed and baseless public opinion. The Long March has captured too much of our court system. Let's pray justice can hold out.
Wondering if the commentors read through the article:
“Such tactics undercut the credibility of legitimate efforts to hold Trump accountable, and they fix in much of the public’s mind the image of effete elites trying to game the system.
What’s more, they have only helped Trump and hardened support for him. Trump feeds on grievance like fire feeds on oxygen. The actions of Colorado and Maine, and other states that follow suit, are not only doomed to legal failure, they also embolden and empower the former president.
We are living through a time of deep divisions and powerful passions in the country. A fundamental purpose of democratic order is to provide an arena where opposing positions and passions can peacefully contest with each other. In short: to substitute ballots and due process for bullets. Nothing is more destructive of democracy than for one faction to try to win in the political arena by disenfranchising its adversaries. “
I think what you see in many of these comments is that there are many who question the integrity of the ballots. And with that as a backdrop, a ploy like that being perpetrated by Colorado and Maine really only makes those who feel like the election was stolen (not me but I know folks who feel that way) even more certain of their position. They can say, in effect. if they are willing to resort to these ends to take Trump off the ballot why is it far fetched to assume they would manipulate ballot results.
Well a fair election I can tolerate. But one when the nominee sits in his basement, video showing people stuffing the ballot box. rule changes, etc. makes me consider things aren't on the up & up. I think I remember Hillary saying the same thing about Trump since she knew she would be a shoe in.
I take Bill Barr and his criticisms of Trump with a grain of salt. He is an entrenched Washington elitist. As a Floridian, I liked Desantis but once he got into a mud-slinging contest with Trump it was over for him. His campaign staff must be Democrats. Vivek is an interesting guy. He speaks the truth and that's why CNN found a loophole to keep him from the next GOP debate.
RFK jr, like Vivek, is an interesting candidate. I listened to him on countless podcasts and I must say I like some of his positions. On some he is a little too progressive for me and he never stated how far left is too far for the Democrats when asked. However, he is not part of the Marxist Obama cabal and if some way he found his way to the presidency, I would not fear for the country like I do with Obama. Obama said he wanted to fundamentally change this country and he sure is trying hard. Now, especially with his cognitively impaired , corrupt puppet in office.
Having said that, if Trump is the candidate I will probably vote for him as I have in the past two elections. If RFK jr throws a monkey wrench into the process and no one gets a clear electoral victory, well won't that be interesting. But we know the Marxist Democrats will cheat like never before to make sure they maintain power because like the Wizard of Oz the curtain has been pulled back.
I think this is a good and thought provoking piece. I also think many commenting here would do well to read the article by Martin Gurri too. Could those commenting here please stop demonizing those who disagree? You are missing Bari’s whole point~why she started this paper. All Democrats are not the same. All Republican are not the same. Argue the merits of mail in voting without making broad statements about those who support or do not support it. Was Jan. 6 an insurrection? Stop suggesting everyone who says “no” is a rabid MAGA person. Is our current President too old? Say so without suggesting anyone who votes for him is an idiot. Rather, let’s discuss how we the people can find younger candidates. Let’s consider a top age limit for Presidents…and so on. We are losing the ability to debate!
A good read -both proof beyond a reasonable doubt vs the preponderance of evidence and due process. I am forwarding to a high school student as a good read for a public school sophomore.
Section Three states that if a federal or state officeholder, having taken an oath to support the Constitution, “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,” that person is disqualified from holding federal or state office. .....
Mr. Trump has publicly stated that he will PARDON all CONVICTED Jan 6 folks that have been incarcerated, how is this not fall squarely under; [..given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof] ??
Trump is creative, cynical and dangerous. He is more creative than any politician I have seen in my life. He did what nobody in the political world could have imagined. He has used democracy to undermine itself. If ever there was a lesson in the tyranny of the majority Trump is the best teacher we have had yet. The question we have to ask ourselves is whether or not the damage we do to our democracy by using the courts is worse than what he will do by using democracy to destroy itself.
"He is more creative than any politician I have seen in my life." Add to that the Democrats are the least creative politicians I (me) have seen in my life. I'm feeling 2016 all over again.
Wow. You had a lot to say. You made assumptions about my reading habits and my political affiliation.
That said, I would like to bring up some points. No sitting President has questioned the results of an election. Candidates might complain but they cannot use the office of the presidency to try and affect the outcome. George HW Bush and Carter come to mind. Both one term presidents but when they lost, they graciously accepted it. Unlike Trump.
I do read Barr with skepticism. A man who considers a candidate unfit but would still vote for him because he belongs to the same party is a man who puts party before country. Two of the finest examples of committed citizens were both republicans, Bill Baker and Liz Cheney. I would also have to add Adam Kittinger in this group.
Both Mitch McConnell and graham had an opportunity to cast a vote to impeach trump. Mitch stated at the time that there were other avenues and that no man was above the law. I had more respect for the republicans who voted to impeach.
I would much rather see Liz Cheney as a candidate than the current crop of candidates.
Barr should be banned from conservative discussion. He’s not a conservative; he doesn’t understand Trump despite working under him; he’s envious of Trump and Barr knows history will forget Barr, but well-remember the 2 time President Trump.
Bill Barr's analysis is unimpeachable. This is an easy case; the law is so clear it poses a test for the liberal justices. If they can put their politics aside, a unanimous per curiam opinion - which would be very much in the country's interest --should be eminently achievable.
Stop! Just stop the ranting and raving. President Biden is a disaster. Every thing he does is wrong. Trump is disaster. A moral disgrace that is not an example of any virtue. America, my beloved country, is in deep trouble. Can we not agree that the nation needs the best of us in this time of danger, and that fighting over the dismal actions and lives of these two losers only helps our foes. Let us find different leaders, and let be done quickly.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1743044638125310124?t=m8P9wnxZdYrZ52XMXmvRcQ&s=19
This Bill Barr, the one that covered up Epstein's murder?
An excellent article. The Jan 6th demonstrators -- "Democrat"-adjacent media standards of truth allow us to call them "mainly peaceful" -- didn't force their way into the buliding but were let in, needlessly but deliberately, by people who knew what scenario THEY were creating, with the help of agitators outside who together with those inside did more to encourage the "insurrection" (a political media meme designed not to inform but to inflame) than anyone. The invasion delayed, at most temporarily disrupted, the political process. It didn't "overthrow" the system, nor was there any such intention or attempt. The left-wing-encouraged (even the Minneapolis police called their actions "not just right but righteous") insurgents who burned police precincts and federal buildings during the Kristallsommer of 2020 during their attempt to cause maximum destruction to the economy and civic functions were, like their hypocritical, politically-motivated eggers-on, motivated by something much closer to insurrection than anything Trump can be "held to account for", i.e. accused of by a kangaroo court of misinformed and baseless public opinion. The Long March has captured too much of our court system. Let's pray justice can hold out.
Wondering if the commentors read through the article:
“Such tactics undercut the credibility of legitimate efforts to hold Trump accountable, and they fix in much of the public’s mind the image of effete elites trying to game the system.
What’s more, they have only helped Trump and hardened support for him. Trump feeds on grievance like fire feeds on oxygen. The actions of Colorado and Maine, and other states that follow suit, are not only doomed to legal failure, they also embolden and empower the former president.
We are living through a time of deep divisions and powerful passions in the country. A fundamental purpose of democratic order is to provide an arena where opposing positions and passions can peacefully contest with each other. In short: to substitute ballots and due process for bullets. Nothing is more destructive of democracy than for one faction to try to win in the political arena by disenfranchising its adversaries. “
I think what you see in many of these comments is that there are many who question the integrity of the ballots. And with that as a backdrop, a ploy like that being perpetrated by Colorado and Maine really only makes those who feel like the election was stolen (not me but I know folks who feel that way) even more certain of their position. They can say, in effect. if they are willing to resort to these ends to take Trump off the ballot why is it far fetched to assume they would manipulate ballot results.
Well a fair election I can tolerate. But one when the nominee sits in his basement, video showing people stuffing the ballot box. rule changes, etc. makes me consider things aren't on the up & up. I think I remember Hillary saying the same thing about Trump since she knew she would be a shoe in.
There is no defense for trump .... Full Stop.
However, my concerns go to future use of this precedent (if it stands).
See Harry Reid and his filibuster rule change in 2013.
I take Bill Barr and his criticisms of Trump with a grain of salt. He is an entrenched Washington elitist. As a Floridian, I liked Desantis but once he got into a mud-slinging contest with Trump it was over for him. His campaign staff must be Democrats. Vivek is an interesting guy. He speaks the truth and that's why CNN found a loophole to keep him from the next GOP debate.
RFK jr, like Vivek, is an interesting candidate. I listened to him on countless podcasts and I must say I like some of his positions. On some he is a little too progressive for me and he never stated how far left is too far for the Democrats when asked. However, he is not part of the Marxist Obama cabal and if some way he found his way to the presidency, I would not fear for the country like I do with Obama. Obama said he wanted to fundamentally change this country and he sure is trying hard. Now, especially with his cognitively impaired , corrupt puppet in office.
Having said that, if Trump is the candidate I will probably vote for him as I have in the past two elections. If RFK jr throws a monkey wrench into the process and no one gets a clear electoral victory, well won't that be interesting. But we know the Marxist Democrats will cheat like never before to make sure they maintain power because like the Wizard of Oz the curtain has been pulled back.
I posted a large pdf here with data
I think this is a good and thought provoking piece. I also think many commenting here would do well to read the article by Martin Gurri too. Could those commenting here please stop demonizing those who disagree? You are missing Bari’s whole point~why she started this paper. All Democrats are not the same. All Republican are not the same. Argue the merits of mail in voting without making broad statements about those who support or do not support it. Was Jan. 6 an insurrection? Stop suggesting everyone who says “no” is a rabid MAGA person. Is our current President too old? Say so without suggesting anyone who votes for him is an idiot. Rather, let’s discuss how we the people can find younger candidates. Let’s consider a top age limit for Presidents…and so on. We are losing the ability to debate!
A good read -both proof beyond a reasonable doubt vs the preponderance of evidence and due process. I am forwarding to a high school student as a good read for a public school sophomore.
Quick question: In so much as the Constitution:
Section Three states that if a federal or state officeholder, having taken an oath to support the Constitution, “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof,” that person is disqualified from holding federal or state office. .....
Mr. Trump has publicly stated that he will PARDON all CONVICTED Jan 6 folks that have been incarcerated, how is this not fall squarely under; [..given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof] ??
Trump is creative, cynical and dangerous. He is more creative than any politician I have seen in my life. He did what nobody in the political world could have imagined. He has used democracy to undermine itself. If ever there was a lesson in the tyranny of the majority Trump is the best teacher we have had yet. The question we have to ask ourselves is whether or not the damage we do to our democracy by using the courts is worse than what he will do by using democracy to destroy itself.
"He is more creative than any politician I have seen in my life." Add to that the Democrats are the least creative politicians I (me) have seen in my life. I'm feeling 2016 all over again.
Wow. You had a lot to say. You made assumptions about my reading habits and my political affiliation.
That said, I would like to bring up some points. No sitting President has questioned the results of an election. Candidates might complain but they cannot use the office of the presidency to try and affect the outcome. George HW Bush and Carter come to mind. Both one term presidents but when they lost, they graciously accepted it. Unlike Trump.
I do read Barr with skepticism. A man who considers a candidate unfit but would still vote for him because he belongs to the same party is a man who puts party before country. Two of the finest examples of committed citizens were both republicans, Bill Baker and Liz Cheney. I would also have to add Adam Kittinger in this group.
Both Mitch McConnell and graham had an opportunity to cast a vote to impeach trump. Mitch stated at the time that there were other avenues and that no man was above the law. I had more respect for the republicans who voted to impeach.
I would much rather see Liz Cheney as a candidate than the current crop of candidates.