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Donna's Irish ancestors could have benefited from some mindset training, perhaps, and stayed where they came from? Or is that rude to ask? I also spent many years getting educated in immigration by helping asylum seekers and refugees. Their lives were just slightly more difficult than having to pick up your purse before you go potty, as touching as that is for a reason to emigrate. After being persecuted and tortured, so many of them had severe PTSD, for instance, and their coping mechanism often was to work a lot, as in shitty jobs for which they were overqualified back home. In contrast to the innumerable people who are called veterans collecting life pensions and never even saw combat and the successive generations of general welfare chiselers. Then there's the illegal Mexicans I sometimes hire, who know how to work hard with their hands, like my parents taught me, and who aren't already baked on weed when they show up in the morning like a lot of white guys in the area. So who do you think I feel more kinship for? It's funny how the poverty mentality is ingrained in so many people who were born here but everyone commenting seems to believe it came here with us more recent immigrants.

All that having been stated, reasonable restrictions on immigration are necessary but unachievable between the hard left and the hard right represented here. Hence we don't even invite the left to the discussion, but a libertarian, and then go into well rehearsed rants instead of having the slightest interest in advancing an argument for why he's wrong. In the midst of all that, Donna's the expert. Attitude is everything when you don't have a pot to piss in. Good luck and let me know how it goes with pulling the identitarian ancestry card for claiming citizenship elsewhere.

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Left-libertarians and the actual "left" agree on "open borders", but their justifications and definitions are a little different.

They are both insane and irrelevant.

Most people's Irish ancestors (as other non-WASP ethnic groups) were allowed in because of the need to populate the frontier, build railroads, work in factories and mines, etc.

All that changed:

1992. Ross Perot. Giant Sucking Sound.

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