And this has been happening by individual teachers' initiatives since the 1990s. I taught at PS 372, The Children's School, from 1999 to 2012, and a certain early grade teacher, Steve Quester, taught the same "Arabic speaking" countries BS so extremely that Jewish parents (even the liberal Park Slope types) demanded their children are placed with other teachers. Steve is now retired but continues this slander on his Instagram and other social media. A gay man, he will not admit he would have been pushed off the top of a tall building in Gaza or actually, in most "Arab Speaking" countries. Mr. Quester also inappropriately broadcast his Intifada curriculum through the teacher platform on DOE computers. (I also caught him cheating on the math assessments, by telling children to change their answers, but that's another matter.)
You should have reported him for the cheating. Like with Claudine Gay, we may not always get them on their antisemitism but these low life's usually do something else to get them in trouble anyway.
That was fast! Unfortunately, he was cheating on assessments of 2nd graders, so it wasn't the grades 3-5 standardized tests. He was also the union rep. No one wanted that position for several years, and he was also a big CRT advocate, so if you criticized him, you were racist, though he's white. When I took the position as math intervention teacher, along with several periods teaching early grade science, he came around and told me I was taking on a load that was outside of our contract. If I had reported his cheating on assessments, it would have been regarded as a personal attack, because he knew that I am a rather hawkish supporter of Israel, and a convert to Judaism. I transferred out partly because of the toxic work environment he created for Jewish teachers and students. You take on what you think you can and try to do your best for the kids. I know I raised the math scores at that school.
And I thought he was this nutcase one off, because he told me how much he hated his brother, who worked on Wall Street and was married with children. Feel free to go to Steve Quester's Instagram and respond to his actual racism, sexism and bigotry. Thanks.
Teachers at our local district are disgusted with our reading and math program in the elem. grades from Success for All Education program. This program get false accolades on their website. Children are given inflated grades. Administration are all liberals. Administration wants teachers to cheat. Very sad.
Can you define what a MAGA lunatic is and what influence they have related to this article? Last I checked none of them were teaching kids to wipe Israel off the map. 90%+ of leaders in education, media, and tech vote left which means they control the flow of information that has destroyed institutions and most cities in America. One of their táctics is to label everyone to their right as a MAGA fascist...
I'm sorry, have you forgotten Charlottesville already? Bigotry is not exclusive to either party, and a MAGA lunatic is someone who currently enthusiastically supports the ex-president and wishes for his return to office.
This article is not about Charlottesville, but the summer 2020 riots did far more damage and death. Are you saying that all 73 million trump voters are MAGA lunatics? Try reading people who support trump in a more nuanced way, which is the vast majority. Jeff tiedrich and Mary trump are quite deranged, notice how they say nothing about leftist extremism like this.
I'm saying that anyone who currently wishes to return Donald Trump to office is detached from reality. You are correct, this article is not about Charlottesville. One thing that the 2020 demonstrations and riots did not have was a group of men with tiki torches marching and chanting that they wouldn't be replaced, aimed specifically at Jews. Have a lovely day.
Of course, if Trump does win the election, that will be reality. As for the men with tiki torches, there aren't any marching on the campuses and elsewhere calling for the river and the sea to be Arab. The tiki torches are not what most Jews are worried about right now. Unless, that is, they are somewhat detached from reality.
True, but 2020 protesters did burn an entire police precinct to the ground.
I catch your drift, but also don't think that anyone who wants to vote for Trump is detached from reality. Shouldn't lump the tiki torchers in with regular conservative voters, just like most moderate democrats shouldn't be lumped in the Rashida Tlaibs of the world.
Another thing: it's a much bigger mistake to not acknowledge the urgency of the forced takeover of education/institutions by ideologies that are either alien or antithetical to the values of our way of life. Over the long term, this represents a much bigger threat then some people who believe Trump won, and should be "restored" to office.
No, they carried torches, molotov cocktails and frozen bottles of water and "automatic" rifles. all of which are a little more lethal than tiki torches. Or are you referencing white males with black face on from the Lincoln project, who infiltrate a conservative rally carrying tiki torches trying to give the impression of being white supremacists? .
No, what the riots of 2020 had were a group of masked group of men and women burning, looting, and destroying private and public property. The riots of 2020 also had 1-2 billion dollars in looting and damage done in the major cities where said riots occurred.
But at least they didn't have men marching with tiki torches.
Same with Asians, yet they vote for Dems 2:1. Why would you back a party whose members attack your people in the school boards and city streets? We keep subverting the subversion, comrade Afi.
True, but not nearly enough of the non-woke Dems are doing anything to stop the woke ones. Most of the reasonable Dems are leaving the party and registering as independents. If that continues, very soon will we be able to accurately say that all Dems are woke jihadists.
Yurt, congratulations on steering the conversation away from the topic at hand towards the left vs right battle that is going on in our politics. However you do make a good point and that is the Democrat Party has been chipping away at our institutions for decades now. Part of the shock of the rise in anti-semitism comes from the Jewish community that is largely liberal left leaning Democrat. The left will eat its own if it serves their purpose.
It’s not shocking to anyone who has been paying attention, but if your information diet consists of NYT and MSM like many Dems you might as well be deaf and blind.
You are right on. The MSM narrative strikes fear into the hearts of its audience - fear of being labelled racist or right wing, and somehow convincing people that being called those names really matters. It’s an ideological/psychological alchemy of sorts. Once you realize that being called those things doesn’t matter, you wonder why you ever believed they did at all. “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me” is a far healthier approach to life than looking for harm in every word you hear.
No, politics is very much part and parcel to the topic at hand. You don’t see this type of Jewish erasure happening in Florida, where Republicans have challenged the Progressive take-over of education.
It’s revenge of the nerds - progressive teachers, politicians, boards & councils. So many small people grabbing a little bit of power to right past “wrongs”.
The “cool kids” were a relatively small clique, and yes many were mean and bullied others. A lot of them stay that way, even as adults. But most kids deal with it, find self worth on their own terms, and get on with life. Not these clowns. Memories like elephants. They’ll show those bullies…by becoming bullies themselves. SMH.
I realized long ago the best non Jewish friend I have is the Evangelical Christian community. How do we generally treat our Christian cousins? Do any of us here refer to them as some dumb goy? Maybe it's time to assess our relationships? The leftists aren't your friends.
This is exactly how Hamas has poisoned generations of Arabs living in what is called "Palestine". And we allowing it to happen with little consequence. Jewish blood will be on the hands of these so-called "educators"!
I think this map was a mistake and a bad idea not to say something like “Israel/Palestine” in its label. Or to have the two labels side by side. But when people say things like “so called Palestine” you’re doing the EXACT. SAME. THING that this article accuses the teachers of doing to Israel, which is erasing a people. For the life of me I cannot get over this insistence that Palestine is a made-up concept and putting Palestine or Palestinians in quotes and then arguing like a lawyer about the technicalities of being an official state, etc. it is a deliberate act of dehumanization. I cannot understand how this continues to be a tactic.
For any Jew with a passport living in that land before 1948, their passport would have said “Palestine.” Ask Miko Peled who has a photograph of his Israeli general father’s passport.
Jesus of Nazareth admonished his listeners - before taking the spec out of others’ eyes to first take the log out of their own eye so they can then see clearly to take the spec out of the others’ eyes.
Palestine is not a country. The creator of the map could have written Palestinian Territories and Gaza on the map, which is accurate, but erasing the state of Israel is wrong. The school district should know better. I get the impression you would like to see a globally recognized state of Palestine. Perhaps one day this will occur. However, today no such state exists. Even if you wish it to be true, it doesn’t make it true.
The Map is a look at the Arab world - places where Arabic is the dominant language. It's why Iran is not labelled - or other majority muslim countries in Africa where Arab is not the dominant language.
You’re not saying Arab is the dominant language in Israel though, right? So for the map the be correct on the basis of Arab language dominance, the West Bank and Gaza alone should be represented.
Technically Israel would not be labelled, and the territories should be delineated. Israel is a small country though. The point is there may not be as much purposeful malice about this map as some put on it.
JTaylor - I agree the school was totally wrong. Recognizing Palestine as a state per se is not my focus. I’m interested in justice within the society of Israel and Palestine - especially when May country’s gov is actively facilitating it. This quote from the OP (of this thread - not the author of the article) is what I was responding to:
‘This is exactly how Hamas has poisoned generations of Arabs living in what is called "Palestine".’
It’s this insidious attitude I hear all the time that acts like Palestinians calling themselves Palestinians is an imposition. What it is, in my opinion, is an imposition on a narrative that pretends that Israel wasn’t formed in a brutal way that values might over right. Someone enters your house and forcibly makes you leave it and now they’re annoyed that you don’t fold yourself into them and call yourself what they would like to call you.
Hamas, a terrorist group literally founded for the sole purpose of exterminating all Jews anywhere, and then all Christians, governs Gaza and has for decades. Hamas could not care less about a "free Palestine." Hamas literally holds summer camps for children starting as young as four and five, teaching them to chant "Kill the Jews" and the glory of being suicide bombers. Hamas has no interest in creating a viable state, and even goes so far as to dig up water pipes to make bombs. Its sole interest is destruction, and it cares nothing for a Palestine or the Palestinian people.
As a result, Hamas literally has poisoned a substantial percentage of Palestinians for decades. That is why, while many Palestinians hate Hamas, and enough of them are so radicalized from a very young age that Arab neighbors will no longer take in Palestinian refugees. Hamas-radicalized Palestinians have a solid history of causing civil unrest in surrounding Arab countries such as Jordan and Lebanon.
As for "someone enters your house and forcibly makes you leave," the Ottomans controlled the entire area for over 400 years until 1918, when the Brits helped the Arab tribes defeat them. (I recommend reading The Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence. This was barely 100 years ago.) Jews had been living in that land for 3000 years and were forever one of the many peoples in the region. The Ottomans did not keep any land records that designated ownership, and they did not issue any title deeds. Roving Bedouin tribes crossed through the territories. While there were tribal territories during Ottoman times which were established and held through tribal violence, there was no formal "ownership" of most of the land.
Most of the land that became Israel was purchased by Jews (the ones who already lived there as well as immigrants) from the locals during the 1930s, between Ottoman rule and the creation of the formal state of Israel. The original territory for the state of Israel suggested in 1947 by the United Nations Partition Resolution mirrored the land that had already been purchased by Jews.
More land came to Israel after Arab neighbors attacked it in 1947. That's what happens in wars, and a substantial percentage of the population of Israel is still Arab Muslims. Many of them are voluntarily fighting Hamas in Gaza right now on behalf of their home state of Israel.
To be clear, my heart does go out to the Palestinians who hate Hamas even more than I do. Their own government has betrayed them and given them no chance to create what could have been a flourishing state. If you want a "free Palestine," free the Palestinians from Hamas.
The Palestinians and their Arab allies tried to commit ethnic cleansing against the Jews of Palestine, who were nearly 1/3 of the population in 1947. You don't get to just go back to your house after trying to exterminate your neighbors, as if nothing happened. Just ask the Germans of Silesia and Sudetenland.
There were also nearly 1 million Jews expelled from the Arab world in the wake of the 1948 war. It is an insidious attitude on the part of those like you who regard the Palestinian refugees as somehow more human than the Jewish ones. Unlike the Palestinians, the Jewish refugees did not try to harm their Arab neighbors. Their homes, businesses, and community property was either stolen by the Arabs or obtained in forced sales much like those in 1930s Germany. Israel resettled the Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews, while the Arabs have let their brothers sit and stew in refugee camps for the last 75 years. If the Palestinian refugees are due something, then so are those Jews.
Ther are NO MORE "refugees"! At the oldest, we are talking about the second and third generations in those "camps"! They are displaced Arabs who, if they are so granted, would have an area that they could officially call "Palestine", just as the Jews who were officially granted nationhood called their area "Israel". Nations and borders are subjective decisions and, while Israel was earned by warfare defending themselves, the "Palestinians cannot even decide IF they want nationhood, or if they much prefer eliminating Jews from the Levant.
This is the information the MSM and schools should be teaching, rather than this simplistic and misleading narrative of “stolen land”. Canada is facing the same historical revisionism by the cultural Marxist elites who run our educational institutions and corporate DEI programs. We are being taught to be ashamed of our entire history and,
to the extent we do not take the knee to the morally superior Victim classes, to be ashamed of
our present as well. White Guilt is the only acceptable repentance for past injustices (and these did occur and do need to be taught in schools).
You are really in over your head, Christina. The Jews of the Middle East in Arab lands harmed their Arab neighbors? How? What "evidence" do you have for this slander? What an outrage.
There were, for example, 100,000 Jews in Iraq prior to the 1947 Partition Plan was passed. Most all driven out. They were forced to flee. Just as Stan 777 says. And as he points out, crucially, they were absorbed elsewhere, into Israel mainly. A tiny sliver of land in the Middle East. Whereas the enormous expanse of the Muslim world could not see itself to accept in its Palestinian brothers, otherwise oh so fawned over, as you fawn over them.
Jews from these Muslim lands were absorbed by Israel and others, just as refugees most everywhere else during WWII were absorbed into lands other than those they had fled. The ONLY refugee group still languishing in refugee status is the Palestinian contingent. The only one supervised by its own special UN administration (UNRWA), which runs Hamas's viciously antisemitic schools. The only refugee group whose offspring also get the refugee status. And you pretend to sympathize with them when in fact you participate in the mythology that keeps them trapped. A mythology of their choosing, not Israel's.
Seriously? What did the Jews of Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc. do against their neighbors? Anything that is comparable to the attempt at ethnic cleansing from the Palestinians and their Arab allies? References, please.
Mind you, I'm referring to the Jews from Arab lands who were forced out in the '50s and '60s. There were more of them than there were Palestinian refugees. They and their descendants now make up about half of Israel's Jewish population.
Christina, Is what you're trying to say here that Jewish refugees did harm Arab neighbours after they (the Arabs) attacked Jews in 1948? If so, you are correct. It is, I believe, historically accurate to state that Israel was heavy handed in their response to the attack (an intended genocide), and thus we have the historical reality of the Naqba. I agree with you that it is inaccurate to omit this part of history. However, what I believe the others on this thread are defending is the fact that there were little to no actions to harm, displace, or murder the arabs in the land prior to their ruthless attack which began the 1948 war of independence. There were always vigilantes and lunatics on all sides (I recommend the book "the beauty queen of Jerusalem" for a glimpse into what was happening at this time), but no centrally organized attempt to displace and murder Arabs.
Another article that is INCREDIBLE and pertinent to this conversation is this one which looks at what happened to Jews in Iraq and Israel in response to the end of ww2 and the creation of Israel as a State.
I believe you have a good heart, Christina, but I just can’t take your argument seriously. Should the U.S. return the original colonies to the UK? We gained our independence in a bloody, brutal war. Might over right wins every time. Most countries are not formed peacefully. Heck, Pakistan was basically formed at the same time as Israel through the same process. Jordan was granted independence from the British shortly before Israel. Is there bad blood between the Pakistanis and the Indians? Yes, but both nations have accepted their territories. The Jordanians even governed the West Bank for awhile until they lost a war they started with the Israelis. The Palestinians have been offered statehood many times and have rejected it each time. They will need to compromise to achieve statehood and that does not look promising at this point. I agree with you that people should not disparage their real grief, which is made worse by the bad actors that speak for and govern them, but do not dismiss the trauma that natural born Israelis and all the Mizrahi/Ashkenazi emigrants have been forced to endure through this same period. They have been attacked repeatedly both by their neighbors and terrorists groups. I have family there. I do pray for peace. We all benefit.
There is no genetic marker for "Palestine". They are Arabs, a semitic people as are Jews who have lived in that area for THOUSANDS of years. And, by the way, Arabic is NOT the dominant language in modern Israel.
Hey, as long as we’re doing this, let’s say Belarus and Estonia are part of the Soviet Union, Slovenia is part of Yugoslavia. We should call Zimbabwe and Zambia “Rhodesia.” Hell, the eastern US can be called “The British colonies.”
This is so disingenuous. I don’t even know what to say because if you don’t want to even attempt to understand or imagine what it might be like to be Palestinian and not only be displaced but then also asked to not even be recognized as existing, there’s just no point from which to proceed. I’m not talking about the non-Jews who are Israeli citizens. I’m talking about the Palestinians that aren’t. Why INSIST that Palestine and Palestinians is not a thing? - because that is what I constantly hearI. In what universe will that ever resolve well and end up with a peaceful coexistence?
Until the 1920s or '30s, there was no proclaimed Palestinian national identity or movement outside of a very few elite Arab intellectuals. The "Palestine" that was called that then was a geographical area so named by the Roman Empire after they kicked the Jews out. That is, it was a mere political unit, not the chosen name of an ethno-national group. One could say a true Palestinian nation was offered the Arabs and it DID exist briefly on November 29, 1947, when the UN partitioned the geographic unit Palestine into a Jewish nation and an Arab nation. The Arabs as a whole and the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee totally rejected that state, and so ever since have the Palestinian leaders rejected every offer of a state. So, Christina, it was they who perpetuated the situation in which Palestinians exist today. And it is they who could have their state and change all that tomorrow - IF they would give up their dream of eliminating the Jews next door and agree to a real, seriously meant peace. That is ALL that it would take.
" In what universe will that ever resolve well and end up with a peaceful coexistence?" In a universe not dominated by those whose mandate is to eliminate all Jewish people from the Middle East. In a universe not supported by the useful idiots who, ignorant history, march in support of this view.
I'll help. There. Is. No. SUCH RECOGNIZED NATION AS PALESTINE. The land set aside for the Arabs in 1948 was immediately appropriated by the Jordanians. Look it up. The Israeli Arabs should be fighting Jordan.
We say "Israel" because the Jewish residents of Palestine accepted their half of geographic Palestine in 1948 and legally formed a state. We say "Palestinians," "Arabs," or "residents of Gaza and West Bank" because the Arab residents of Palestine REFUSED to form a state in 1948. Instead, they invaded Israel to take take both halves for a Jew-free Arab State of Palestine.
They lost, tried again in 1967, lost again, tried again in 1973, lost again, and despite a half-dozen serious negotiations to get them to statehood, they STILL have not formed a State of Palestine.
That's not "dehumanizing" Palestinians, it's an accurate statement that they don't yet live in a State of Palestine, they are non-citizen residents of the sovereign State of Israel. When they finally accept they lost all those wars they started and form a state in which they can take care of their own people, we will happily call Palestine a state.
My narrative is scrupulously historic, thank you. To elaborate:
Palestine is home of two indigenous peoples: Jews and Arabs. (DNA analysis shows that both descended from Canaanite tribes.) Jews kept their tribal name for 3,500 years. The other tribe, its name lost to history, became Arabs due to the Islamic Arab takeover of the Middle East in the 600s. Jews still call themselves Jews. Arabs called themselves Arabs until they adopted "Palestinians" in the 1970s. But both remain indigenous.
Meaning both qualified for states under the post-WWI Mandate system that distributed conquered Ottoman land--of which geographic Palestine was part--to local populations for states of their own. Jews accepted the portion of Palestine offered them and formed their State of Israel. Arabs rejected their portion AND the notion that Jews could be sovereign over any part of "their" Arab Palestine, and went to war to seize both halves.
Note: I'm not arguing against a State of Palestine. To the contrary, Palestinians NEED a state of their own. I wish they'd accepted the UN offer in 1948, but they chose war instead, and it was a disaster for them. Whatever form of state is acceptable to Israelis and Palestinians is fine with me, I'm an American, it's not my business to draw their maps.
Palestinians need to be realistic--they're not going to get half of old Palestine back for their state, not after losing three wars of annihilation launched against Israel, and not after the pogrom of Oct. 8. They should take what they can realistically get--all of Gaza and most but not all of West Bank--declare victory, drop the "Kill the Jews" routine, and do the dull but necessary work of taking care of their own people.
Palestinians owe it to themselves to end the Hundred Year War for Palestine, because that ship sailed after they lost all their land in 1948 and 1967. And right-wing Israelis need to drop the notion that they're going to push all the Palestinians into other nations and take that land for themselves, cause that's not going to happen, either.
Christina, I am reading this and trying to have a very moderate, fair approach. Could you specify which part of Shane's narrative is ahistorical? I myself can't find anything but I am always ready to learn.
Again I post this article for those interested in reading it:
And I also share with you a quote from the Dutch newspaper Trouw on March 31 1977. The newspaper published an interview with the Palestinian Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in which he said: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the State of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese."
I have no issue calling Palestinians Palestinian or calling the west bank / Gaza "Palestine". In fact I've done so for years. However we can't change history or use this term to support the lie that it existed as a country until |white supremists" came a knocking. I sincerely hope that one day the Palestinian leaders will accept the offers of sovereignty (and that the Israeli leaders will once again agree to MAKE this offer) and lead their people to a life of dignity and self-determination. It cannot come only in exchange for the entirety of Israel, and that is where we are stuck.
Your comment is incredibly misguided. I can't tell if your screed is intentional, naive born out of some woke philosophy, or just gross misinformation.
In any case , your ignorance of the history of Israel is palpable.
Sometimes it's best not to comment on issues you really know nothing about rather than make a fool of yourself.
So, I suppose that Mexico should be re-named as Meso-America, or the border area be called Aztlan? Maybe the Lowlands in Europe should revert to Frisia, or Denmark as Jutland? The possibilities are endless! And who was it that drove the Hebrew population out of that area? The ARABS! You already know the arguments in FAVOR of a Jewish state, but you refuse to acknowledge them as valid, so I won't enumerate them.
Yes, the evil ignorance of those Brooklyn "so-called educators" is now also evident everywhere in the former US, including similarly ignorant mid-western schools. Clearly non of them are familiar with a core element of Muslim religious teachings that "all non-Muslims must die."
Meanwhile, they fail to teach life-skills subjects needed to enable the Muslim masses to succeed in the modern world. So they naturally covet the successes of their neighbors, and easily excuse the horrific October 7th Hamas barbarism toward Israeli civilians.
Hamas must die before the Gaza and West Bank residents can have a chance to create a working, improving civilization.
Allowing Qatar to fund our educational system is EXACTLY the same as allowing the Chinese government to purchase the US electrical grid. The US stopped the latter when it was attempted a few years back. Why the USG would not stop a foreign nation with values so unlike our own to fund and infiltrate our educational system from Pre-K to the university level (where, I might add, there is access to all kinds of nuclear information (e.g. Texas A&M) is utterly unconscionable and should be stopped as a matter of public interest and national security.
Thankfully this article is shining the light on this particular external influence on the children. Transparency and free choice are the best solution in an open society. Too bad the public employee unions don’t support the choice part.
100% There at least needs to be an investigation immediately into these Qatar-funded programs. I think there's a billl that's been posed that is poised to investigate university funding but not sure about schools.
It also seems as if the most hateful, anti-American, anti-Semitic teachers have Arabic names. Maybe there should be a test for pro-Americanism, since so many in this country are basically traitorous haters.
Ah pooh. I forgot that fact. How careless of me. I should seek and audience with Rebbe Hildebeast and consult about the most correct way for me to atone.
Solid work FP! It looks like US education has stage 4 cancer. Not sure how to cut the rot. Parents are going to lose their children to Marxism and the woke mind virus….
I am SHOCKED by this. The virulent antisemitism in America is getting worse, and is now being given to children, with zero consequences. We need to rally 'round our Jewish friends and community members in the days ahead. It is TRULY ugly in this country right now.
That’s nonsense. I LEARNED Arabic while studying in Israel. Jerusalem dialect taught by Mr. Othman. Leaving Israel off a map of Arabic speaking countries is like leaving Switzerland off a map of French speaking countries.
In a broader sense our open society is being exploited to undermine support for our capitalist democratic republic. The exposure of widespread anti-semitism by the events of Oct 7 shocked the country but it has been spreading quietly in our schools for a long time. Arab countries aren’t the only ones engaged in this underground assault on this country. China has infiltrated much of our educational, financial, cultural and government systems as well. We are under assault not just through open borders but through our open, welcoming society. The true challenge is how do we defend ourselves without giving up our freedoms in the process.
Go to the bookstore and open any children's geography book to the page on Israel. The entry is usually 1/4 the length of every other country and calls the most of Israel's land "disputed territory." Then look up France and Spain, where the Basques want independence, no mention of "disputed territory." Look up Iraq, no mention of independence movements of the Kurds. It goes on and on.
Silver lining: this reprehensible should serve as an illustration of just how much land the “Arab World” occupies, yet they still want to wipe Jews off the map and have it all.
They could add a legend showing how many hundreds of thousands of Jews each Arab country expelled before and after 1948.
So the NYC schools teach elementary school kids Arab and Muslim history. Do they teach these kids American history, other than the 1619 revisionist version?
Antisemitism is too soft a term. It's Jew hatred and it's genocidal to its core. The Jew haters do not want Israel to exist. It's not a long extrapolation to suggest the next step is the annihilation of Jews. This is what big city union-run public education looks like. I am a public school teacher for 27 years and I see it seeping into the burbs, especially among the most pro-union teachers. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark and I regret to say it's formal education - it's seeped into the private schools as well. PARENTS: HOME SCHOOL YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My theory is that the reason unions are antisemitic is that they are, by their very nature, anti-meritocratic. The Jewish (and Asian, and Mormon) ethic of hard work and appreciation for talent rather than time served (seniority) is antithetical to present day union culture and values.
Your observation made me recognize a point of honesty on the part of the DEI ideologues: they admit that they value equity and inclusion over merit. Some people would see that as a fatal flaw, and react: “I want my physician, teacher, lawyer, pilot, mechanic, engineer etc. to be hired based on merit, and not in their historical victim status based on immutable characteristics like skin colour, sex, or sexuality!”
Alas, merit is less important than identity to the cultural Marxist true believers and those too afraid to tell them that their DEI emperor has no clothes.
Yes. You're right that DIE supporters don't care about merit. My comment comes from a personal set of experiences: teachers support the union and DIE because they are sheep who don't really know what's happened in public education. They are naive - unforgivable in an adult. They'll deny there's such a thing as drag queen story hour or that some history teachers, and some who don't even teach history, assert 1619 as America's founding date. They see these claims as right wing conspiracies. Such teachers believe in merit and are convinced the system is still based on it.
There is a bumper sticker, “If You Think Education is Expensive, Try Ignorance.”
I’d amend it to say, “if you think private school is expensive, try letting your kid turn into a woke, Jew-hating, gender-confused communist.”
Not all public schools are bad. Just make sure you think about schools before you move or buy a house. The best money we ever spent was Catholic school for the crucial formative grades of 5-8th, versus our local schools. A better public high school was one of the major reasons we moved before our kids started high school.
Yes homeschooling is a better option in many cases. The other thing I’ve noticed is since 2020 demand for private schools has gone up, creating more private schools. Quality varies so anyone looking at private schools needs to take a close look. And religious schools vary in terms of their religiousity. Most of our local “religious” schools seem to be nominally Christian but in 2020 were revealed as the BLM, “love is love” sort of Christians. Hell, many of the girls in our Catholic school were gender confused middle schoolers. Woke culture has a long reach.
We have our grandkids in an Evangelical School which has a solid curriculum emphasising math and science and their religiousity includes a program called "Our Father Abraham". Our kids are loved and accepted openly. I love me some Bible beating Christians. Personally I believe Baruch de Spinoza got the God thing the most right. The teachings attributed to Jesus are compelling and worthy of consideration. They may yet win me over.
What schools are left? My husband years ago said he wouldn’t let our (toddler at the time) children go to an Ivy League school if they offered to pay them. I, my family, and all of our mutual friends scoffed and ridiculed his paranoia. Now, no one’s laughing.
For the record, everyone who runs the New York City public schools is a Democrat. These children are being indoctrinated by progressive madrassas and imams, not educated. Welcome to the woke Jihad: https://yuribezmenov.substack.com/p/how-to-wage-a-woke-jihad-part-2
And this has been happening by individual teachers' initiatives since the 1990s. I taught at PS 372, The Children's School, from 1999 to 2012, and a certain early grade teacher, Steve Quester, taught the same "Arabic speaking" countries BS so extremely that Jewish parents (even the liberal Park Slope types) demanded their children are placed with other teachers. Steve is now retired but continues this slander on his Instagram and other social media. A gay man, he will not admit he would have been pushed off the top of a tall building in Gaza or actually, in most "Arab Speaking" countries. Mr. Quester also inappropriately broadcast his Intifada curriculum through the teacher platform on DOE computers. (I also caught him cheating on the math assessments, by telling children to change their answers, but that's another matter.)
You should have reported him for the cheating. Like with Claudine Gay, we may not always get them on their antisemitism but these low life's usually do something else to get them in trouble anyway.
That was fast! Unfortunately, he was cheating on assessments of 2nd graders, so it wasn't the grades 3-5 standardized tests. He was also the union rep. No one wanted that position for several years, and he was also a big CRT advocate, so if you criticized him, you were racist, though he's white. When I took the position as math intervention teacher, along with several periods teaching early grade science, he came around and told me I was taking on a load that was outside of our contract. If I had reported his cheating on assessments, it would have been regarded as a personal attack, because he knew that I am a rather hawkish supporter of Israel, and a convert to Judaism. I transferred out partly because of the toxic work environment he created for Jewish teachers and students. You take on what you think you can and try to do your best for the kids. I know I raised the math scores at that school.
I understand. Way too many of these toxic characters in public schools.
And I thought he was this nutcase one off, because he told me how much he hated his brother, who worked on Wall Street and was married with children. Feel free to go to Steve Quester's Instagram and respond to his actual racism, sexism and bigotry. Thanks.
Cheating is acceptable in the public schools.
Unless the cheater is Caucasian, Asian, or Jewish
Capone went to Alcatraz for Tax Evasion.
Think Al Capone. Guilty of heinous crimes, get sent down for tax evasion. By any means necessary!
Teachers at our local district are disgusted with our reading and math program in the elem. grades from Success for All Education program. This program get false accolades on their website. Children are given inflated grades. Administration are all liberals. Administration wants teachers to cheat. Very sad.
All the matters matter Ute. I bet if you dig deep you will find a lot more about Mr Quester that is unsavory.
Not all Democrats are woke a-holes, just like not all Republicans are MAGA lunatics. Your comment makes things worse, not better.
Can you define what a MAGA lunatic is and what influence they have related to this article? Last I checked none of them were teaching kids to wipe Israel off the map. 90%+ of leaders in education, media, and tech vote left which means they control the flow of information that has destroyed institutions and most cities in America. One of their táctics is to label everyone to their right as a MAGA fascist...
Paul Teitelbaum probably a self hating Jew Yuri.
I'm sorry, have you forgotten Charlottesville already? Bigotry is not exclusive to either party, and a MAGA lunatic is someone who currently enthusiastically supports the ex-president and wishes for his return to office.
This article is not about Charlottesville, but the summer 2020 riots did far more damage and death. Are you saying that all 73 million trump voters are MAGA lunatics? Try reading people who support trump in a more nuanced way, which is the vast majority. Jeff tiedrich and Mary trump are quite deranged, notice how they say nothing about leftist extremism like this.
I'm saying that anyone who currently wishes to return Donald Trump to office is detached from reality. You are correct, this article is not about Charlottesville. One thing that the 2020 demonstrations and riots did not have was a group of men with tiki torches marching and chanting that they wouldn't be replaced, aimed specifically at Jews. Have a lovely day.
Of course, if Trump does win the election, that will be reality. As for the men with tiki torches, there aren't any marching on the campuses and elsewhere calling for the river and the sea to be Arab. The tiki torches are not what most Jews are worried about right now. Unless, that is, they are somewhat detached from reality.
True, but 2020 protesters did burn an entire police precinct to the ground.
I catch your drift, but also don't think that anyone who wants to vote for Trump is detached from reality. Shouldn't lump the tiki torchers in with regular conservative voters, just like most moderate democrats shouldn't be lumped in the Rashida Tlaibs of the world.
Another thing: it's a much bigger mistake to not acknowledge the urgency of the forced takeover of education/institutions by ideologies that are either alien or antithetical to the values of our way of life. Over the long term, this represents a much bigger threat then some people who believe Trump won, and should be "restored" to office.
No, they carried torches, molotov cocktails and frozen bottles of water and "automatic" rifles. all of which are a little more lethal than tiki torches. Or are you referencing white males with black face on from the Lincoln project, who infiltrate a conservative rally carrying tiki torches trying to give the impression of being white supremacists? .
No, what the riots of 2020 had were a group of masked group of men and women burning, looting, and destroying private and public property. The riots of 2020 also had 1-2 billion dollars in looting and damage done in the major cities where said riots occurred.
But at least they didn't have men marching with tiki torches.
At least as a MAGA lunatic, I can say you're what we call "low information". Perfect example of the Dunning Kreuger effect.
Which part of “not every Republican is a MAGA lunatic” don’t you understand? Does the shoe fit?
Why can’t you answer my simple question?
You can't/won't answer the question because ... you are a prog idiot? Is that the issue here?
90%? What’s your source for that stat?
Jews voting Democratic are like Turkeys voting for thanksgiving.
Same with Asians, yet they vote for Dems 2:1. Why would you back a party whose members attack your people in the school boards and city streets? We keep subverting the subversion, comrade Afi.
😂😂
Agree!! I'm not Jewish, I'm liberal and I 100% support Israel and Jewish people in their fight against Islamic terrorists.
I've also been fighting against the erasure of women by the same people. The trans activists and men in black beating up on Jews are the same people.
True, but not nearly enough of the non-woke Dems are doing anything to stop the woke ones. Most of the reasonable Dems are leaving the party and registering as independents. If that continues, very soon will we be able to accurately say that all Dems are woke jihadists.
No. Leftists are absolutely the problem. The correctists have been yielding to the leftists and it has gotten us to where we are.
Can you define what a MAGA lunatic is?
Yurt, congratulations on steering the conversation away from the topic at hand towards the left vs right battle that is going on in our politics. However you do make a good point and that is the Democrat Party has been chipping away at our institutions for decades now. Part of the shock of the rise in anti-semitism comes from the Jewish community that is largely liberal left leaning Democrat. The left will eat its own if it serves their purpose.
It’s not shocking to anyone who has been paying attention, but if your information diet consists of NYT and MSM like many Dems you might as well be deaf and blind.
Willfully so
You are right on. The MSM narrative strikes fear into the hearts of its audience - fear of being labelled racist or right wing, and somehow convincing people that being called those names really matters. It’s an ideological/psychological alchemy of sorts. Once you realize that being called those things doesn’t matter, you wonder why you ever believed they did at all. “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me” is a far healthier approach to life than looking for harm in every word you hear.
No, politics is very much part and parcel to the topic at hand. You don’t see this type of Jewish erasure happening in Florida, where Republicans have challenged the Progressive take-over of education.
We can blame the governors and mayors but school boards and city councils are the actual front line proponents of progressive ideology.
We need Jewish people and their allies to run for City Councils, town boards and school boards. Just like the right is doing.
It’s revenge of the nerds - progressive teachers, politicians, boards & councils. So many small people grabbing a little bit of power to right past “wrongs”.
The “cool kids” were a relatively small clique, and yes many were mean and bullied others. A lot of them stay that way, even as adults. But most kids deal with it, find self worth on their own terms, and get on with life. Not these clowns. Memories like elephants. They’ll show those bullies…by becoming bullies themselves. SMH.
Then everybody who runs the NYC schools is also a low watt intellect wannabe.
What amazes me is how many NY Jews are keeping quiet and allowing this happen. What do we need? Another krystal nacht?
We are not keeping quiet but we are severely outnumbered! And we need the support of non Jew allies who see how insane this is to help us speak out!!
I realized long ago the best non Jewish friend I have is the Evangelical Christian community. How do we generally treat our Christian cousins? Do any of us here refer to them as some dumb goy? Maybe it's time to assess our relationships? The leftists aren't your friends.
We have plenty of non Jewish allies but we cannot expect them to fight our battles for us. Especially when they see how most Jews vote for Democrats.
Are you going to keep voting for the party that enabled this extremism? Your reading list would indicate yes...
I'm with you! Want to protest at this school?? I'll travel to be there!
It looks that way.
It's not Democratic Party policy. It is however appalling.
This is exactly how Hamas has poisoned generations of Arabs living in what is called "Palestine". And we allowing it to happen with little consequence. Jewish blood will be on the hands of these so-called "educators"!
I think this map was a mistake and a bad idea not to say something like “Israel/Palestine” in its label. Or to have the two labels side by side. But when people say things like “so called Palestine” you’re doing the EXACT. SAME. THING that this article accuses the teachers of doing to Israel, which is erasing a people. For the life of me I cannot get over this insistence that Palestine is a made-up concept and putting Palestine or Palestinians in quotes and then arguing like a lawyer about the technicalities of being an official state, etc. it is a deliberate act of dehumanization. I cannot understand how this continues to be a tactic.
For any Jew with a passport living in that land before 1948, their passport would have said “Palestine.” Ask Miko Peled who has a photograph of his Israeli general father’s passport.
Jesus of Nazareth admonished his listeners - before taking the spec out of others’ eyes to first take the log out of their own eye so they can then see clearly to take the spec out of the others’ eyes.
Palestine is not a country. The creator of the map could have written Palestinian Territories and Gaza on the map, which is accurate, but erasing the state of Israel is wrong. The school district should know better. I get the impression you would like to see a globally recognized state of Palestine. Perhaps one day this will occur. However, today no such state exists. Even if you wish it to be true, it doesn’t make it true.
The Map is a look at the Arab world - places where Arabic is the dominant language. It's why Iran is not labelled - or other majority muslim countries in Africa where Arab is not the dominant language.
Iran isn’t Arab. It’s Persian. And the predominant language is Farsi not Arabic. 💫
I mean, that is exactly what I said.
You’re not saying Arab is the dominant language in Israel though, right? So for the map the be correct on the basis of Arab language dominance, the West Bank and Gaza alone should be represented.
Technically Israel would not be labelled, and the territories should be delineated. Israel is a small country though. The point is there may not be as much purposeful malice about this map as some put on it.
JTaylor - I agree the school was totally wrong. Recognizing Palestine as a state per se is not my focus. I’m interested in justice within the society of Israel and Palestine - especially when May country’s gov is actively facilitating it. This quote from the OP (of this thread - not the author of the article) is what I was responding to:
‘This is exactly how Hamas has poisoned generations of Arabs living in what is called "Palestine".’
It’s this insidious attitude I hear all the time that acts like Palestinians calling themselves Palestinians is an imposition. What it is, in my opinion, is an imposition on a narrative that pretends that Israel wasn’t formed in a brutal way that values might over right. Someone enters your house and forcibly makes you leave it and now they’re annoyed that you don’t fold yourself into them and call yourself what they would like to call you.
Hamas, a terrorist group literally founded for the sole purpose of exterminating all Jews anywhere, and then all Christians, governs Gaza and has for decades. Hamas could not care less about a "free Palestine." Hamas literally holds summer camps for children starting as young as four and five, teaching them to chant "Kill the Jews" and the glory of being suicide bombers. Hamas has no interest in creating a viable state, and even goes so far as to dig up water pipes to make bombs. Its sole interest is destruction, and it cares nothing for a Palestine or the Palestinian people.
As a result, Hamas literally has poisoned a substantial percentage of Palestinians for decades. That is why, while many Palestinians hate Hamas, and enough of them are so radicalized from a very young age that Arab neighbors will no longer take in Palestinian refugees. Hamas-radicalized Palestinians have a solid history of causing civil unrest in surrounding Arab countries such as Jordan and Lebanon.
As for "someone enters your house and forcibly makes you leave," the Ottomans controlled the entire area for over 400 years until 1918, when the Brits helped the Arab tribes defeat them. (I recommend reading The Seven Pillars of Wisdom by T.E. Lawrence. This was barely 100 years ago.) Jews had been living in that land for 3000 years and were forever one of the many peoples in the region. The Ottomans did not keep any land records that designated ownership, and they did not issue any title deeds. Roving Bedouin tribes crossed through the territories. While there were tribal territories during Ottoman times which were established and held through tribal violence, there was no formal "ownership" of most of the land.
Most of the land that became Israel was purchased by Jews (the ones who already lived there as well as immigrants) from the locals during the 1930s, between Ottoman rule and the creation of the formal state of Israel. The original territory for the state of Israel suggested in 1947 by the United Nations Partition Resolution mirrored the land that had already been purchased by Jews.
More land came to Israel after Arab neighbors attacked it in 1947. That's what happens in wars, and a substantial percentage of the population of Israel is still Arab Muslims. Many of them are voluntarily fighting Hamas in Gaza right now on behalf of their home state of Israel.
To be clear, my heart does go out to the Palestinians who hate Hamas even more than I do. Their own government has betrayed them and given them no chance to create what could have been a flourishing state. If you want a "free Palestine," free the Palestinians from Hamas.
Thank you! I would have posted the same, but I didn't think that the poster was amenable to persuasion.
Excellent summary! I would add “Free Palestinians from UNRWA!”
The Palestinians and their Arab allies tried to commit ethnic cleansing against the Jews of Palestine, who were nearly 1/3 of the population in 1947. You don't get to just go back to your house after trying to exterminate your neighbors, as if nothing happened. Just ask the Germans of Silesia and Sudetenland.
There were also nearly 1 million Jews expelled from the Arab world in the wake of the 1948 war. It is an insidious attitude on the part of those like you who regard the Palestinian refugees as somehow more human than the Jewish ones. Unlike the Palestinians, the Jewish refugees did not try to harm their Arab neighbors. Their homes, businesses, and community property was either stolen by the Arabs or obtained in forced sales much like those in 1930s Germany. Israel resettled the Sephardi and Mizrahi Jews, while the Arabs have let their brothers sit and stew in refugee camps for the last 75 years. If the Palestinian refugees are due something, then so are those Jews.
Ther are NO MORE "refugees"! At the oldest, we are talking about the second and third generations in those "camps"! They are displaced Arabs who, if they are so granted, would have an area that they could officially call "Palestine", just as the Jews who were officially granted nationhood called their area "Israel". Nations and borders are subjective decisions and, while Israel was earned by warfare defending themselves, the "Palestinians cannot even decide IF they want nationhood, or if they much prefer eliminating Jews from the Levant.
This is the information the MSM and schools should be teaching, rather than this simplistic and misleading narrative of “stolen land”. Canada is facing the same historical revisionism by the cultural Marxist elites who run our educational institutions and corporate DEI programs. We are being taught to be ashamed of our entire history and,
to the extent we do not take the knee to the morally superior Victim classes, to be ashamed of
our present as well. White Guilt is the only acceptable repentance for past injustices (and these did occur and do need to be taught in schools).
“Unlike the Palestinians, the Jewish refugees did not try to harm their Arab neighbors.” I’m sorry but this is pure lying propaganda.
You are really in over your head, Christina. The Jews of the Middle East in Arab lands harmed their Arab neighbors? How? What "evidence" do you have for this slander? What an outrage.
There were, for example, 100,000 Jews in Iraq prior to the 1947 Partition Plan was passed. Most all driven out. They were forced to flee. Just as Stan 777 says. And as he points out, crucially, they were absorbed elsewhere, into Israel mainly. A tiny sliver of land in the Middle East. Whereas the enormous expanse of the Muslim world could not see itself to accept in its Palestinian brothers, otherwise oh so fawned over, as you fawn over them.
Jews from these Muslim lands were absorbed by Israel and others, just as refugees most everywhere else during WWII were absorbed into lands other than those they had fled. The ONLY refugee group still languishing in refugee status is the Palestinian contingent. The only one supervised by its own special UN administration (UNRWA), which runs Hamas's viciously antisemitic schools. The only refugee group whose offspring also get the refugee status. And you pretend to sympathize with them when in fact you participate in the mythology that keeps them trapped. A mythology of their choosing, not Israel's.
Seriously? What did the Jews of Egypt, Iraq, Syria, etc. do against their neighbors? Anything that is comparable to the attempt at ethnic cleansing from the Palestinians and their Arab allies? References, please.
Mind you, I'm referring to the Jews from Arab lands who were forced out in the '50s and '60s. There were more of them than there were Palestinian refugees. They and their descendants now make up about half of Israel's Jewish population.
Christina, Is what you're trying to say here that Jewish refugees did harm Arab neighbours after they (the Arabs) attacked Jews in 1948? If so, you are correct. It is, I believe, historically accurate to state that Israel was heavy handed in their response to the attack (an intended genocide), and thus we have the historical reality of the Naqba. I agree with you that it is inaccurate to omit this part of history. However, what I believe the others on this thread are defending is the fact that there were little to no actions to harm, displace, or murder the arabs in the land prior to their ruthless attack which began the 1948 war of independence. There were always vigilantes and lunatics on all sides (I recommend the book "the beauty queen of Jerusalem" for a glimpse into what was happening at this time), but no centrally organized attempt to displace and murder Arabs.
Another article that is INCREDIBLE and pertinent to this conversation is this one which looks at what happened to Jews in Iraq and Israel in response to the end of ww2 and the creation of Israel as a State.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-expulsion-that-backfired-when-iraq-kicked-out-its-jews/
I highly recommend.
I believe you have a good heart, Christina, but I just can’t take your argument seriously. Should the U.S. return the original colonies to the UK? We gained our independence in a bloody, brutal war. Might over right wins every time. Most countries are not formed peacefully. Heck, Pakistan was basically formed at the same time as Israel through the same process. Jordan was granted independence from the British shortly before Israel. Is there bad blood between the Pakistanis and the Indians? Yes, but both nations have accepted their territories. The Jordanians even governed the West Bank for awhile until they lost a war they started with the Israelis. The Palestinians have been offered statehood many times and have rejected it each time. They will need to compromise to achieve statehood and that does not look promising at this point. I agree with you that people should not disparage their real grief, which is made worse by the bad actors that speak for and govern them, but do not dismiss the trauma that natural born Israelis and all the Mizrahi/Ashkenazi emigrants have been forced to endure through this same period. They have been attacked repeatedly both by their neighbors and terrorists groups. I have family there. I do pray for peace. We all benefit.
There is no genetic marker for "Palestine". They are Arabs, a semitic people as are Jews who have lived in that area for THOUSANDS of years. And, by the way, Arabic is NOT the dominant language in modern Israel.
Hey, as long as we’re doing this, let’s say Belarus and Estonia are part of the Soviet Union, Slovenia is part of Yugoslavia. We should call Zimbabwe and Zambia “Rhodesia.” Hell, the eastern US can be called “The British colonies.”
Otherwise we’re erasing a people!
Well said!
This is so disingenuous. I don’t even know what to say because if you don’t want to even attempt to understand or imagine what it might be like to be Palestinian and not only be displaced but then also asked to not even be recognized as existing, there’s just no point from which to proceed. I’m not talking about the non-Jews who are Israeli citizens. I’m talking about the Palestinians that aren’t. Why INSIST that Palestine and Palestinians is not a thing? - because that is what I constantly hearI. In what universe will that ever resolve well and end up with a peaceful coexistence?
Until the 1920s or '30s, there was no proclaimed Palestinian national identity or movement outside of a very few elite Arab intellectuals. The "Palestine" that was called that then was a geographical area so named by the Roman Empire after they kicked the Jews out. That is, it was a mere political unit, not the chosen name of an ethno-national group. One could say a true Palestinian nation was offered the Arabs and it DID exist briefly on November 29, 1947, when the UN partitioned the geographic unit Palestine into a Jewish nation and an Arab nation. The Arabs as a whole and the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee totally rejected that state, and so ever since have the Palestinian leaders rejected every offer of a state. So, Christina, it was they who perpetuated the situation in which Palestinians exist today. And it is they who could have their state and change all that tomorrow - IF they would give up their dream of eliminating the Jews next door and agree to a real, seriously meant peace. That is ALL that it would take.
" In what universe will that ever resolve well and end up with a peaceful coexistence?" In a universe not dominated by those whose mandate is to eliminate all Jewish people from the Middle East. In a universe not supported by the useful idiots who, ignorant history, march in support of this view.
I'll help. There. Is. No. SUCH RECOGNIZED NATION AS PALESTINE. The land set aside for the Arabs in 1948 was immediately appropriated by the Jordanians. Look it up. The Israeli Arabs should be fighting Jordan.
Nobody here is saying “so-called Palestine.” You’re arguing a straw man. Carry on.
LoL
And Canada is British North America.
We say "Israel" because the Jewish residents of Palestine accepted their half of geographic Palestine in 1948 and legally formed a state. We say "Palestinians," "Arabs," or "residents of Gaza and West Bank" because the Arab residents of Palestine REFUSED to form a state in 1948. Instead, they invaded Israel to take take both halves for a Jew-free Arab State of Palestine.
They lost, tried again in 1967, lost again, tried again in 1973, lost again, and despite a half-dozen serious negotiations to get them to statehood, they STILL have not formed a State of Palestine.
That's not "dehumanizing" Palestinians, it's an accurate statement that they don't yet live in a State of Palestine, they are non-citizen residents of the sovereign State of Israel. When they finally accept they lost all those wars they started and form a state in which they can take care of their own people, we will happily call Palestine a state.
Shane - your narrative is ahistorical.
My narrative is scrupulously historic, thank you. To elaborate:
Palestine is home of two indigenous peoples: Jews and Arabs. (DNA analysis shows that both descended from Canaanite tribes.) Jews kept their tribal name for 3,500 years. The other tribe, its name lost to history, became Arabs due to the Islamic Arab takeover of the Middle East in the 600s. Jews still call themselves Jews. Arabs called themselves Arabs until they adopted "Palestinians" in the 1970s. But both remain indigenous.
Meaning both qualified for states under the post-WWI Mandate system that distributed conquered Ottoman land--of which geographic Palestine was part--to local populations for states of their own. Jews accepted the portion of Palestine offered them and formed their State of Israel. Arabs rejected their portion AND the notion that Jews could be sovereign over any part of "their" Arab Palestine, and went to war to seize both halves.
Israel won, Arabs lost, and here we are.
Note: I'm not arguing against a State of Palestine. To the contrary, Palestinians NEED a state of their own. I wish they'd accepted the UN offer in 1948, but they chose war instead, and it was a disaster for them. Whatever form of state is acceptable to Israelis and Palestinians is fine with me, I'm an American, it's not my business to draw their maps.
Palestinians need to be realistic--they're not going to get half of old Palestine back for their state, not after losing three wars of annihilation launched against Israel, and not after the pogrom of Oct. 8. They should take what they can realistically get--all of Gaza and most but not all of West Bank--declare victory, drop the "Kill the Jews" routine, and do the dull but necessary work of taking care of their own people.
Palestinians owe it to themselves to end the Hundred Year War for Palestine, because that ship sailed after they lost all their land in 1948 and 1967. And right-wing Israelis need to drop the notion that they're going to push all the Palestinians into other nations and take that land for themselves, cause that's not going to happen, either.
Spot on, Shane. Thank you for your comments.
October 7th
Christina, I am reading this and trying to have a very moderate, fair approach. Could you specify which part of Shane's narrative is ahistorical? I myself can't find anything but I am always ready to learn.
Again I post this article for those interested in reading it:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-expulsion-that-backfired-when-iraq-kicked-out-its-jews/
And I also share with you a quote from the Dutch newspaper Trouw on March 31 1977. The newspaper published an interview with the Palestinian Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, in which he said: "The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the State of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality, today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians, and Lebanese."
I have no issue calling Palestinians Palestinian or calling the west bank / Gaza "Palestine". In fact I've done so for years. However we can't change history or use this term to support the lie that it existed as a country until |white supremists" came a knocking. I sincerely hope that one day the Palestinian leaders will accept the offers of sovereignty (and that the Israeli leaders will once again agree to MAKE this offer) and lead their people to a life of dignity and self-determination. It cannot come only in exchange for the entirety of Israel, and that is where we are stuck.
Your entire argument is not even an argument. It’s just contradiction.
It’s straight out of the Argument Clinic from Monty Python. However unlike the MP sketch it lacks self awareness.
Can you elaborate?
It’s a classic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k&t=35s
Your comment is incredibly misguided. I can't tell if your screed is intentional, naive born out of some woke philosophy, or just gross misinformation.
In any case , your ignorance of the history of Israel is palpable.
Sometimes it's best not to comment on issues you really know nothing about rather than make a fool of yourself.
So, I suppose that Mexico should be re-named as Meso-America, or the border area be called Aztlan? Maybe the Lowlands in Europe should revert to Frisia, or Denmark as Jutland? The possibilities are endless! And who was it that drove the Hebrew population out of that area? The ARABS! You already know the arguments in FAVOR of a Jewish state, but you refuse to acknowledge them as valid, so I won't enumerate them.
You are arguing from history. On that basis, the map would properly say something like “Israel (formerly Palestine)”.
Depending on the age of any Jew living in Israel before 1948 -Their passport could have been : Judea. Check your facts.
This.
Yes, the evil ignorance of those Brooklyn "so-called educators" is now also evident everywhere in the former US, including similarly ignorant mid-western schools. Clearly non of them are familiar with a core element of Muslim religious teachings that "all non-Muslims must die."
Meanwhile, they fail to teach life-skills subjects needed to enable the Muslim masses to succeed in the modern world. So they naturally covet the successes of their neighbors, and easily excuse the horrific October 7th Hamas barbarism toward Israeli civilians.
Hamas must die before the Gaza and West Bank residents can have a chance to create a working, improving civilization.
And they will be fine with that.
U.S. educational institutions and government agencies should be barred from accepting foreign money.
Allowing Qatar to fund our educational system is EXACTLY the same as allowing the Chinese government to purchase the US electrical grid. The US stopped the latter when it was attempted a few years back. Why the USG would not stop a foreign nation with values so unlike our own to fund and infiltrate our educational system from Pre-K to the university level (where, I might add, there is access to all kinds of nuclear information (e.g. Texas A&M) is utterly unconscionable and should be stopped as a matter of public interest and national security.
Agreed. Our greatest strength is also our greatest weakness: our openness.
Very true. Our generosity is so often abused by those who aim to harm us. It’s a definite delicate dance. But there must be rules in place.
Thankfully this article is shining the light on this particular external influence on the children. Transparency and free choice are the best solution in an open society. Too bad the public employee unions don’t support the choice part.
100% There at least needs to be an investigation immediately into these Qatar-funded programs. I think there's a billl that's been posed that is poised to investigate university funding but not sure about schools.
100% agreed.
Why in the heavens is this ok???
It also seems as if the most hateful, anti-American, anti-Semitic teachers have Arabic names. Maybe there should be a test for pro-Americanism, since so many in this country are basically traitorous haters.
💯Full stop.
When people ask how ordinary German citizens could have allowed the Holocaust to happen.....
Well now we know.
We always have. We repeatedly choose to ignore.
No, no, Trump is Hitler, see, and he’s a Republican. Democrats can’t be anti-Semitic any more than BIPOCLGBTIAs can be racist!
Ah pooh. I forgot that fact. How careless of me. I should seek and audience with Rebbe Hildebeast and consult about the most correct way for me to atone.
Solid work FP! It looks like US education has stage 4 cancer. Not sure how to cut the rot. Parents are going to lose their children to Marxism and the woke mind virus….
Highly recommend “The Parasitic Mind” by Gad Saad.
I am SHOCKED by this. The virulent antisemitism in America is getting worse, and is now being given to children, with zero consequences. We need to rally 'round our Jewish friends and community members in the days ahead. It is TRULY ugly in this country right now.
That’s nonsense. I LEARNED Arabic while studying in Israel. Jerusalem dialect taught by Mr. Othman. Leaving Israel off a map of Arabic speaking countries is like leaving Switzerland off a map of French speaking countries.
Not to mention that Arabic is one of three official languages of Israel! (You know that, but not everyone does.)
Yup. All road signs etc are usually in Hebrew , Arabic and English.
As always, “follow the money” rules.
In a broader sense our open society is being exploited to undermine support for our capitalist democratic republic. The exposure of widespread anti-semitism by the events of Oct 7 shocked the country but it has been spreading quietly in our schools for a long time. Arab countries aren’t the only ones engaged in this underground assault on this country. China has infiltrated much of our educational, financial, cultural and government systems as well. We are under assault not just through open borders but through our open, welcoming society. The true challenge is how do we defend ourselves without giving up our freedoms in the process.
This is what the left does. Start with the children.
Go to the bookstore and open any children's geography book to the page on Israel. The entry is usually 1/4 the length of every other country and calls the most of Israel's land "disputed territory." Then look up France and Spain, where the Basques want independence, no mention of "disputed territory." Look up Iraq, no mention of independence movements of the Kurds. It goes on and on.
Silver lining: this reprehensible should serve as an illustration of just how much land the “Arab World” occupies, yet they still want to wipe Jews off the map and have it all.
They could add a legend showing how many hundreds of thousands of Jews each Arab country expelled before and after 1948.
Ironically, it illustrates the extent of Arab Muslim colonialism. I guess it's not bad when Arab Muslims do it?
Great point! What would be the response if one were to call for a Muslim decolonization?! These ideologies only work in one direction.
So the NYC schools teach elementary school kids Arab and Muslim history. Do they teach these kids American history, other than the 1619 revisionist version?
BTW-- did anyone see that Hulu's 1619 Project won an Emmy for best show in the "non-fiction" category??
Hasn’t 1619 been debunked and therefore moved into the Fiction category?
Seriously?
No Shit! At least according to the "Gray Lady"!!
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Sounds like old Soviet work where the Balkans were erased too. Madness.
Baltics? Balkans weren’t part of the USSR.
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Antisemitism is too soft a term. It's Jew hatred and it's genocidal to its core. The Jew haters do not want Israel to exist. It's not a long extrapolation to suggest the next step is the annihilation of Jews. This is what big city union-run public education looks like. I am a public school teacher for 27 years and I see it seeping into the burbs, especially among the most pro-union teachers. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark and I regret to say it's formal education - it's seeped into the private schools as well. PARENTS: HOME SCHOOL YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My theory is that the reason unions are antisemitic is that they are, by their very nature, anti-meritocratic. The Jewish (and Asian, and Mormon) ethic of hard work and appreciation for talent rather than time served (seniority) is antithetical to present day union culture and values.
Fair point. You might well be right. However, the unions will never admit this. Some of their members actually believe the system is meritocratic.
Your observation made me recognize a point of honesty on the part of the DEI ideologues: they admit that they value equity and inclusion over merit. Some people would see that as a fatal flaw, and react: “I want my physician, teacher, lawyer, pilot, mechanic, engineer etc. to be hired based on merit, and not in their historical victim status based on immutable characteristics like skin colour, sex, or sexuality!”
Alas, merit is less important than identity to the cultural Marxist true believers and those too afraid to tell them that their DEI emperor has no clothes.
Yes. You're right that DIE supporters don't care about merit. My comment comes from a personal set of experiences: teachers support the union and DIE because they are sheep who don't really know what's happened in public education. They are naive - unforgivable in an adult. They'll deny there's such a thing as drag queen story hour or that some history teachers, and some who don't even teach history, assert 1619 as America's founding date. They see these claims as right wing conspiracies. Such teachers believe in merit and are convinced the system is still based on it.
There is a bumper sticker, “If You Think Education is Expensive, Try Ignorance.”
I’d amend it to say, “if you think private school is expensive, try letting your kid turn into a woke, Jew-hating, gender-confused communist.”
Not all public schools are bad. Just make sure you think about schools before you move or buy a house. The best money we ever spent was Catholic school for the crucial formative grades of 5-8th, versus our local schools. A better public high school was one of the major reasons we moved before our kids started high school.
This. Absolutely. We homeschooled our kids. Now as an extended family we help fund our grandkids educations.
Yes homeschooling is a better option in many cases. The other thing I’ve noticed is since 2020 demand for private schools has gone up, creating more private schools. Quality varies so anyone looking at private schools needs to take a close look. And religious schools vary in terms of their religiousity. Most of our local “religious” schools seem to be nominally Christian but in 2020 were revealed as the BLM, “love is love” sort of Christians. Hell, many of the girls in our Catholic school were gender confused middle schoolers. Woke culture has a long reach.
We have our grandkids in an Evangelical School which has a solid curriculum emphasising math and science and their religiousity includes a program called "Our Father Abraham". Our kids are loved and accepted openly. I love me some Bible beating Christians. Personally I believe Baruch de Spinoza got the God thing the most right. The teachings attributed to Jesus are compelling and worthy of consideration. They may yet win me over.
What schools are left? My husband years ago said he wouldn’t let our (toddler at the time) children go to an Ivy League school if they offered to pay them. I, my family, and all of our mutual friends scoffed and ridiculed his paranoia. Now, no one’s laughing.